Reclaim Your Power To Heal

Your healing might not be stuck. Your programming might be loyal. We sit down with Marvin L. Wilkerson, a spiritual astrologer, hypnotherapist, NLP practitioner, and author of *Soul Fusion Healing: Integrating Mind, Body, and Soul*, to talk about the hidden patterns that shape how we love, react, cope, and even hurt. If you’ve ever felt like you “know better” but still repeat the same cycle, Marvin explains why the subconscious mind can keep running an old script long after the conscious mind has moved on.

We dig into somatic healing and the mind body connection, including how stress signals travel through the gut brain and vagus nerve, why symptoms can carry emotional meaning, and why labels can become identity traps. Marvin breaks down a key idea for mindset and wellness: the subconscious doesn’t process negatives the way we think it does, so common self-talk can accidentally reinforce the very problem we’re trying to escape. That’s where hypnosis and neurological programming come in, helping bypass resistance and create new neural pathways that feel easier and more aligned.

From there, we explore soul fragmentation, epigenetics, and ancestral emotional programming, plus how spiritual astrology can be used as a tool for awareness instead of a limitation. Marvin also shares a practical NLP exercise, the Circle of Excellence, to rebuild self-worth using real moments of success you’ve lived, not affirmations you don’t believe yet.

If you’re ready to stop outsourcing your power and start testing truth in your own gut, press play. Subscribe, share this with a friend who feels stuck, and leave a review with the pattern you’re ready to break.

Transcript

Hidden Patterns Behind Healing

SPEAKER_00 0:49

Welcome back to the Spiritual Spotlight series. I'm your host, Rachel Garrett, and today we are exploring hidden patterns that may be shaping our lives, our relationships, and even the way we experience healing. Our guest today is Marvin L. Wilkerson, a spiritual astrologer, hypnotherapist, neurological programmer, spiritual coach, and an author of Soul Fusion Healing: Integrating Mind, Body, and Soul. With decades of experiencing studying spirituality, astrology, and the subconscious mind, and the deeper layers of the consciousness, Marvin's work blends together ancient wisdom and modern concepts of healing to help people recognize karmic patterns, emotional blocks, and unconscious programming. Today we're talking about soul fragmentation, the subconscious mind is the spiritual blueprints, and what it really means to reclaim our power to heal. Marvin, welcome to this Ritual Spotlight series. I'm so happy you're here. So, Marvin, you spent decades studying spirituality and healing. Was there maybe a moment in your own life when you realized there was more happening beneath the surface of our human experience?

SPEAKER_01 2:00

Oh, goodness face, yeah. Started about 18 years old.

SPEAKER_00 2:04

Wow. Tell us a little bit more about that.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

Well, I read the book Judah Krishna's Marty's Think on These Things. And of course, at 18 years old, I've been brought up a little bit Baptist and a little bit churchy. And my mother was doing some searching. And so we got in an argument a little bit. And she says, she throws the book at me, says, Well, here, read this.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

Thanks, mom.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

So I did, and that set me into a whole new world because I realized I could think for myself, and I didn't have to listen to anybody about truth.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

I love that.

The Book That Changed Everything

SPEAKER_00 2:48

And especially at 18 years old, you're like, I've got so. Did you feel like at then, like, did you feel like a path unfolded for you?

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Oh, yeah, like it opened up a whole vista. I started uh uh I grew up in Virginia Beach in Norfolk, so I was you know teaching all the sailors that would bring their cars to me for repair about reincarnation and why it was so important.

SPEAKER_00 3:13

I love that. So after 50 years of exploring this work, what do you believe about healing today that you didn't understand maybe when you first began?

SPEAKER_01 3:24

That all healing is within you. Why do you think healing is an emotional component? So you heal the emotion, you heal the belief, and you will heal. And so you hold the power. I mean, you know, Albert Schweisser talked about, you know, we're at we're we're at our best when we help our patients find the doctor within to heal themselves. That is so true. Yeah. So I mean, you know, that's pretty pretty powerful. And then I like Walter Russell's quote, which says the healing principle within us is measured by our awareness of God in ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 4:18

Oh, I like that too. That's awesome. Why do you think we outsource our our power and like instead of looking within?

SPEAKER_01 4:27

Well, I mean, you know, this goes back into our programming. Um when we are when we are children, we our our brain is innocent. So we believe everything that we're talking about. So true. Okay. And so it was Ken Keynes who said the time we each age of 21 years old, we've been told 60,000 times who we are, who they are, and and what the world is. And so we're programmed and conditioned, and so we've got to spend the vast majority of our adult life breaking down conditioning to come into our own set of values and beliefs. Absolutely. So that requires a what search and you shall find. And so it's uh it it you know, you have to get on the path of wanting to know what is so much bigger than external values, or through the feedback from the world, that you come into the realization of self-realization of who you are. Yeah. I think there was somebody that said, Ye are all gods. And I think that that's what self-realization is for us, us humans, is to to realize we are all co-creators in everything we see, hear, taste, smell, and touch. And so, and it takes a while, Rachel. Even when you discover these truths and it and it tings you, it takes a while to practice it. It takes a while to integrate a truth into your life, because I mean, you know, you're responding sometimes instantaneously

Finding The Doctor Within

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and sometimes subconsciously, you're responding to life in ways that are part of that conditioning and programming, and go, oh, wait a minute, why did I do that? Why did I say that? You know, and so you know, one of the things that very much is part of my work is trying to teach a two-mind concept, and you have to realize the ego mind, which is the conscious mind, doesn't know there's a higher mind. So its job is to try to protect you, and it will protect you against the most idiotic things you could possibly imagine. It will make you right, others wrong, no matter what. And of course, that leads to the reincarnation process.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

So interesting. So, your core message is beautifully simple. You can heal your life. What does that truly mean to you?

SPEAKER_01 7:52

You can heal your life in every conceivable way. You know, one of the things that I love to play around with and tease people is uh, you know, like I walked up to a little girl in in my aerobics class and she was, you know, you know, trying to stretch her shoulder out. Yeah. I said, What's the matter with your shoulder? She says, Oh, it's a little achy and stiff. I says, What belief do you have that creates that?

SPEAKER_00 8:25

What'd she say?

SPEAKER_01 8:27

She was she was too stunned to speak, and I didn't want an answer. She's probably like, Who the hell is this talking?

SPEAKER_02 8:40

What am I taser?

SPEAKER_00 8:42

I love that. What I I'd be curious because you know, I feel like people who have like stomach pains, like what are they not looking, you know, they're they're swallowing something that maybe they should speak of, or like they have foot pain and they don't want to step forward on their path. And I would be curious to know what a shoulder would do. Maybe not right.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

Holding on.

SPEAKER_00 9:02

Oh, yes, carrying a burden. Carrying a burden, yes. Oh, okay. All right, I got it. Okay, I like that. Okay, took me a minute. I was like, I don't know what the art would do. That's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 9:17

Okay, well, and knees and joints are flexibility. Oh, maybe situation.

SPEAKER_02 9:23

Are moving forward.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

Yeah, why are we stuck? So are you stuck looking at the stuff? Everything has a belief. I mean, I have a chart on every single body symptom that we uh that is the full range of body ailments, and it's always correct because people realize it. I mean, this is somatic healing, right? I mean, when you realize you're trying to heal your body, well, the the first principle is your conscious mind and your body have a relationship, and that relationship, when your conscious mind thinks of something that's negative or an error or a problem, or it doesn't feel right, or whatever, well, the body responds to that, and the body responds to that. Well, then it's it it meets in the solar plexus or the gut brain, which then sends up the vagus nerve. Hey, you got a problem here, and the subconscious mind goes, Oh, wait a minute, really? Let me get in the file cabinet here and find out what what response that you take when you're in when you are in a threat. There you go. Yeah, and so that's how the subconscious mind listens to the conscious mind to the body. Absolutely. When you don't want to experience pain and suffering, what point of thinking about it? So true.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

Do you believe that people sometimes give their power away in a healing process by constantly searching for the next person modality or where an answer to fix them?

SPEAKER_01 11:17

Oh sweetie. It's you know, I've read so much on that. It's labels. We lay we we get labeled by doctors to the allopathic medicines, allopathic medicine, we get labeled in so many ways, and and it's like one doctor told me one time it's everybody's looking for one pill, one ill. And you know, the the the thing about it is, is if everything that you're going through is part of your subconscious and DNA and epigenetics, well then it's in the way you perceive and and your perspective on life. Now, you're not going to change that through CBT, cognitive behavior therapy. Sorry, uh, you're not going to talk me out of it because it's it's subconscious based. So as hypnotists, we have a we have a saying.

SPEAKER_02 12:23

I'm the last person you come to because you've exhausted everybody else, and you say, Oh, I think I'll try a hypnosis, hypnosis.

SPEAKER_00 12:34

So true, so true.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

I have a 62-year-old client that I just worked with this week, and he's got anxiety. And he's had anxiety all his life. And he said he's been through every he's been through psychology and he's been through all the stuff to heal it. And so he decided, you know, he heard something about hypnosis. He says, Wow, I think I'll try that. And so that's how I get my class because I'm I'm last on the totem pole, and I should be first.

SPEAKER_00 13:14

You know, I I have to be honest with you today. I was talking to one of my coworkers, and I said, I'm interviewing this awesome guy this evening. I'm gonna ask him. I'm gonna I want to be hypnotized to stop eating sweets. I was like, I need the help. But it's so true. Like, I feel like hypnotism is such a powerful modality that a lot of people are they're not aware of the healing power that it can do the subconscious mind.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

Well, when you think of it as your ego conscious

When Beliefs Become Body Symptoms

SPEAKER_01 13:48

mind, all of your physical senses and the body creates five percent of your reality. The subconscious mind is a million times more powerful than your conscious mind. That's wild. A million.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

That's wild.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

Like when you hear that, you're just like and it creates 95% of your reality. Wow. Okay, so that just pay it, that just pretty much makes the conscious mind negatory. I mean, why would why would Lazoo say stop thinking and you'll end your problems? So true. Okay, I mean I've had people come come into me, especially Geminis, that come to me and say, What can I do to stop so much thinking all the time? Thinking, thinking, thinking. I said, Well, you can't. The only thing you can choose is to accept what you're thinking or reject what you're thinking.

SPEAKER_00 14:56

Oh, I like that. Is it ultimately true?

SPEAKER_01 14:59

Yes, and Einstein said there's only two truths. What's that? And that is math and philosophy.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

There you go.

unknown 15:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

I'm not a good math student. So your work looks at us as spiritual, mental, and physical beings. What happens when we try to heal one part of ourselves while possibly ignoring the others? Like I can see that when people are going through like a spiritual awakening, you're so focused on the spiritual awakening that the this the physical self of that definitely gets put to the side.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

Well, that's a beautiful question, you know, because I I have to deal with that with all spiritual people or most spiritual people that come to me. I meditate five, six hours today. Why is all these bad things keep happening to me? I'm working so hard to be spiritual. I said, Well, how about if you just be human? Because you're already spiritual. That's who you are. So, how about just being a human and accept the influences or reject influences in your life? You're the creator, quit creating things that you have to, you think you have to try to be something. You don't have to be anything. The more you just be natural, normal, and crazy and zany, well, then the more absolutely human you are. And you're not going to fix a human condition through owning yourself in a case. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:49

Very true. Very true.

SPEAKER_01 16:50

Well, that's how I deal with that.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

I love that. So that brings us to the idea of soul fusion healing. What is soul fusion and how did you come to understand this concept?

SPEAKER_01 17:03

Well, when you get it's um understanding of the concept comes from quantum physics. When you can bypass the conscious mind to where it now doesn't interfere with the suggestions given to you to the subconscious mind, well, then you can ascend to making a correction of an error point in the brain, where one point is connected to another neurotransmitter, and then you draw a new neural pathway to a positive in the brain. And so you disconnect the negatives, reconnect to the positives, and the subconscious mind will always, always, always choose the easiest path, and the path that feels better.

SPEAKER_03 18:04

Like that.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

When you move into timelessness, then you're creating a climate which to learn, Milton Erickson. When you lose your sense of separateness from your maker, which I call universal consciousness. Other people call it God, they can call it Buddha, I don't care what they call it. Exactly. There is only one, and I call it consciousness. So when you lose your separateness as a separate identity and being from consciousness, well, then once you leave that place and enjoin and bring the relationship of oneness within yourself, well, obviously everything is corrected. You're healed. There are no imperfections in universal consciousness. So it's a matter of being able to get people to relax out of the conscious mind, relax out of the body, so that all of the conditioning and programming is set aside. And you're opening up to that million times powerful brain, which then draws new neural pathways, transmitters, which then electrifies your R field, which then creates your attraction, repulsion, adhesion, cohesion principle in your life.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

I love that. So you speak about soul fragmentation. What does it mean for a soul to become fragmented, and how might that show up in someone's everyday life?

SPEAKER_01 19:59

Well, you know in a multitude of ways. Anytime you have an inner conflict of different kinds of behaviors, that can cause a fragmentation. Emotions, you know, very strong emotions can cause a fragmentation. Fragmentation is just lead is just a sense of leaving your authentic you. It's the all of it's the all in all. Okay. And so when you leave that, then you are just you are fracturing your characteristics,

Labels And The Search For Fixes

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and then that becomes a total disconnect from your inner guidance or your higher self. So there's lots of ways that you can do it. I mean, you can get into addictions, you can go into deep surgery. I mean, there's a whole lot of ways. And then you know, I was just I was just thinking about this today. How about it's the epigenetics of the DNA code? Well, the epigenetics are the emotional programmings that your your ancestors went through that you are responding to and acting out. So it's the same thing. When when you heal yourself in this moment, you're healing your ancestors backwards and forwards. And so that's how beautiful and important this life is, and the opportunity that you have as a human being. Oh, yeah, because there are a lot of epigenetics floating around.

SPEAKER_00 21:58

So in your book, Soul Fusion Healing, you explore astrology, hypnosis, and spiritual healing. How did you discover that these different modalities can work all together?

SPEAKER_01 22:10

Well, because they're different modalities. Astrology is nothing but a map of energy, and it's a personal map of energy, and that energy, Einstein said, all is energy, and that's all there is to it. So if I can look at your map from the moment of your birth, well, then that gives me the opportunity to define how you're using the various energies, planets, and what is the best way to use them, and how are you using the May not be so good. And so you know it's it's a matter of understanding that your vibration is what you're attracting into your life. So everything is frequency and vibration. And so when you understand the set of instructions that comes with an astrology chart, in spiritual astrology, in transformational astrology, not pop astrology, then you understand what the soul's mission is to accomplish. Well, now that in and of itself will help me guide you through some of your beliefs that are in perspective, that are in error in perception and perspective. It helps me to understand where your where your wounds are and what your what your soul's tech is from the past moving into the future of what it's trying to accomplish. And so everybody can gain from that. And so if we can correct that perception, correct that perspective through spiritual coaching, well, then you can see how easy that can go in a long way to somebody else to heal their life in a multitude of ways.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 24:42

And so in LP, neurolinguistic programming, this is utilizing the power of your visualization. If you can visualize it, you can create it. That's typos cybernetics. Max 12 volts.

SPEAKER_00 25:37

No. Okay then.

SPEAKER_03 25:40

I love that.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

You're like, no, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

It was mostly channels. If I wrote a paragraph and I didn't and it just didn't rhyme, well, then I would ask. I am forever, ever, ever teaching people if you're going to be spiritual, well, then ask out loud to your guides, teachers, and angels. They will talk to you right now, within minutes, within seconds, you will get the answer. And so I, you know, it's just not, I mean, that's just one of the other things that I try to help people understand. And, you know, it's been shoved in my face so much. I used to, I used to get angry with them.

SPEAKER_02 26:30

And I was like, you wait till I get up there.

SPEAKER_00 26:34

I love that. Wait till I'm you reincarnate. I become your guide.

SPEAKER_01 26:40

Yeah, well, that was my Aries moon, and since then I've I've done a lot of tempering of an Aries moon. And he's so arrogant.

SPEAKER_00 26:50

That's so funny. I love that.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

But I mean, you know, I I Rachel, I just feel like the book came through me. I wasn't the writer. I wasn't, I'm not in charge of it in any way, shape, or form. The book is the book. It's my life's work. It's everything is in there. I talk about quantum healing. I talk about soul fusion. And ultimately, you know, I I got I put so many quotes out of the giant minds over the last out of antiquity. I got I got some of my friends that said, Marvin, why did you put so many quotes in there? I I don't hear your voice in there. I said, Well, that's because my voice comes from those giant minds of antiquity.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

Yes, I love that. That's awesome. So we often hear people say, Well, I'm just a Scorpio, or that's just my birth chart, almost as through astrology has become an excuse for our behavior. How do we use astrology as a tool for awareness without allowing it to become another limitation?

SPEAKER_01 27:58

Well, first off, I would bet you 2% of the populace that studies astrology doesn't know they are their moon sign. Their moon is all of their past, all of their experiences, all of their conditioning. And that's what they've incubated. So when they are born into this life under a certain sign, they are becoming a Scorpio, they are becoming a Capricorn, they're becoming a Pisces. So the transition and transformation that needs to occur to embody that power of the sun has to go through the all of your life. And so you can say, you know, every single sign has their positives and negatives. And you know what is negative, it doesn't feel very good. And so you're trying to live up to the high extense of who you are. If you do that, well then you're going to accomplish what you've learned in this lifetime. But I might add, you know, I did a lot of research in growing up at Virginia Beach at the Edgar Casey Foundation. I read a lot of his readings. And he said, this would this soul gained in this lifetime. This soul lost in this lifetime. This soul gained and then lost. This soul gained and and and lost together and then regained. So it's a process. We gotta one of the beautiful sayings is realizing that life and death, this comes from Brian Weiss, the regressionist back in these 70s and 80s. If you just quit thinking of life and death as a difference, there are they're they're not they're not even a factor. I mean, then the subconscious mind would have no fear. So true. So when you don't think of those two polarities as a polarity, and you just realize that you are a soul, and you are forever, and then you are energy, and energy cannot die. Well, then now you're reaching into a level of self-awareness that will allow you to be happy and joyful, loving, peaceful, but you still have to be human. You're gonna have pain, you're gonna have you know struggles because there that's opportunities to learn, and so when you stay connected to I am forever, and this is just a journey, and it's giving me an opportunity to learn some things that I played uh Jack be nimble, Jack be quick, Jack jumped over the candles clip, and I was wrong. Oops, I got burned, yeah. Exactly. So you know, we're always this is a playground, we created

Soul Fusion And Rewiring The Mind

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it together as humans. So play, have fun, you know, and that's the best thing you can do because I mean, you know, one of the things, a few things that's an esoteric idea, is that your desires do not come from you. Your desires do not come from your own mind, they come from a soul group which you are connected. You see, everybody thinks that you have autonomy. No, you don't get autonomy until you have reached the highest levels of universal consciousness. We got a ways to go when you reach that level, now you have autonomy, and so try to help people understand that a desire comes into your mind a nanosecond before you even realize it, and that comes from holographic mind. Michael Talbert did a whole experience where they put a head cap on, and they had the uh subject, they touched him, and that touch lit up the brain. Well, it was a nanosecond before the subject says, Oh, you just touched me. Wow, so you're getting feedback from guys, angels, and teachers, and your soul group prior to you becoming conscious of anything.

SPEAKER_00 33:39

So true. So, can the subconscious hold on to an identity or belief even when our conscious mind is saying, I don't believe this anymore?

SPEAKER_01 33:52

Well, the conscious mind is going to say, I don't believe this, then it's going to have a response in the body. Any response in the body that's a negative becomes a subconscious threat. The subconscious mind does not analyze, it doesn't even communicate with language, it follows the orders of the conscious mind. So you can change your eye, you can change your your belief, you can change whatever you think. And but the subconscious mind is going to, you know, is going to follow your orders. And it doesn't understand negatives. This is what a lot of people don't understand. The subconscious doesn't hear negatives, doesn't hear no, don't, can't, want, shouldn't. It was just the opposite. I don't want to be sick. Well, then you're going to get guess what?

SPEAKER_00 34:58

Have I got a flu for you?

SPEAKER_02 35:00

Have I got a flu for you? Evidently, you're in a threat situation. So let me give you the flu so you'll go to bed and stop it.

SPEAKER_00 35:12

It's so true. It's so true. So, how does hypnosis help us reach the deeper layers of the subconscious that may be resistant to this change?

SPEAKER_01 35:23

Because you're you're you're bypassing the conscious mind, which is resistance. And once you've bypassed the conscious mind, well then the subconscious mind will then process a positive as the best way to go. And easier way to see something. So when I have you under hypnosis and in a suggestibility state, which is what hypnosis is, is a suggestibility state. Well, then I can give you a positive suggestion where you had originally thought it was a negative response.

SPEAKER_03 36:09

I like that.

SPEAKER_01 36:09

And the subconscious mind is going to say, Oh, well, that's a lot easier. I see that in a different way.

SPEAKER_00 36:16

You said we like the easiest route.

SPEAKER_01 36:19

Right. And then the conscious mind, which now recognizes that, says, Oh, okay, I agree with that. And now you have a new, a whole new perception, perspective, and belief. Awesome.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

Have you ever uncovered a subconscious belief or a karmic pattern with someone that completely changed the way that they understood their life?

SPEAKER_03 36:42

Oh, heaven, yes.

SPEAKER_00 36:44

Oh, come on now. I've got millions.

SPEAKER_01 37:00

I told her I wanted to take her into the light. And she's oh, I hate light. I hate light. I hate light. I said, why? She says, I just do. I can't stand it. I don't want to do it. I says, well, how about if I take you into hearing Jesus, your higher self? Oh, I'm not worthy of that. I'm not worthy of listening and hearing Jesus. Okay. So I put her into hypnosis. And she she was very intuitive. So it was easier to get, it was easier to get her pretty deep. So I'm about halfway through the session, and I take her into

Soul Fragmentation And Ancestral Emotions

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the light and have her absorb it. And she raises straight up out of the chair. Oh my gosh. I just heard a voice say, I am always with you, my child. I said, end of session. End of session. That's amazing. Nothing more for me to teach you. And you talk about changing somebody's life. And of course, I mean, you know, whether it's smoking, whether it's anxiety, whether people have done 20 years of CBT or psychology and still depressed or any what I I've healed, I've helped so many people come to a new level of consciousness. And that really is my job. I'm just bringing you to a different level of consciousness. Hypnosis is just a tool, astrology is just a tool, NLP is just a tool. So spiritual coaching is at least 50% of what I do. And it's and it's, you know, it's uh probably 85-90% of my life. Because, you know, my teacher back in the 90s, you know, we used to study, we did a lot of study. I did a lot of study for 10 years on the Native American Medicine Wheel. And one of the things, the best, one of the greatest things he ever said was walk the talk or throw the shit away. Amen.

SPEAKER_03 39:34

Heck yeah. Heck yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:40

So that voice is in my head when I get a little bit sideways. I said, you're not walking the talk, buddy.

SPEAKER_00 39:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:53

I I make the correction.

SPEAKER_00 39:56

I like that. I like that.

SPEAKER_01 39:58

You know, we can't we cannot choose the influences in our life. But we in we can choose what influences us. That is one of my favorite quotes comes from Vicky, the spiritual astrologer.

SPEAKER_00 40:22

That's awesome. So for the person listening who knows that they are repeating a pattern but feels completely stuck in it, what is one practical place that they can begin to reclaim their power today?

SPEAKER_01 40:36

Well, they need to look at what they believe is creating that reality. What is creating this response? Did I learn it from my mother, my father, my teachers? It's an old program. And so if it's conflicting, then it's painful. You know what's causing the pain. Fix it. You know, I go back to Albert Schweitzer. The doctor within. And so if it causes you pain, so let me answer your question in a very better way, much better way. The only truths are two feelings and emotions. Those are the only truths. This is a this is a habitual liar, and I'm pointing to my conscious mind and top of my head. That is Satan. I tell all my prick, this is Satan. And so you have to understand that it does not manufacture truth, it manufactures what it wants to be in control. And so the only truths, two truths, feelings, which are moment to moment, and emotions. And emotions can come in two categories, two ways: love and joy, peace and happiness, so forth, or come in the negative connotations of pain, conflict, and struggle. And emotions can last a lifetime. Feelings only last while it's occurring. So I teach when you think of something, run it down to your gut. Run it down to your gut and say, Does that feel right? If it feels right, well, then you're

Astrology Without Using It As Excuse

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in you're you're in alignment. If it doesn't feel right, well then you tell your conscious ego mind you reject that thought and go on from there. You don't accept what doesn't feel good. And typically, emotions, when you say something that doesn't feel good, well, that's usually self-talk, which I wrote extensively about in the book as well. Self-talk is the biggest inhibitor is the clients that come to me. Negative self-talk. Okay. So then you have to help them understand how beautiful they are. I have a an NLP that I do with them called the Circle of Excellence. And it's this real simple process. You have somebody stand up and look at and make a list of all the positive things that they have accomplished in their life that made them feel really good. Could be a marriage, could be graduating from college, could be having a baby, anything that made them feel wonderful in life that sticks out as being accomplished. You have them then look down and see a circle. Oh, I like that, and get them to define and describe what they see in the circle. What do they see? What color is it? Does it have a sound? Is it moving? So you get that description of that circle, and then you have them one by one put all those wonderful things that they did throughout their life. Getting married, graduating, getting, getting Recognized for something wonderful they did. Put all that in the circle. And when it's all in the circle, have them step in the circle with their eyes closed and feel the power of all that wonderful accomplishments in their life.

SPEAKER_00 45:08

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 45:09

And then you have them go back and forth in and out of the circle two or three times. Put your hand on their shoulder when they go in the circle, which then anchors in all that power of success.

SPEAKER_00 45:24

Oh, I like that.

SPEAKER_01 45:25

They've created in their life. And once that once that is anchored in, they you you have them, you bring them out of that semi, you know, hypnotic state, and they are beamy. From there, you help them to understand their sense of self-worth, a stronger sense of self-esteem. Because who who among us ever thinks back about all the wonderful things that's occurred in our life event by event?

SPEAKER_00 46:07

Yeah, we don't.

SPEAKER_01 46:09

We don't. Yeah. And so when you bring all that into bear and feel the energy of that success, that is very, very, very, very powerful. And so I use that a lot just simply because it's it's so it's so self-worth and value. It's that self-esteem, it's that self-identity, that you can say, well, by George, maybe I am a little better than I've been thinking I am. And so that's how I like to get people to think in terms of now by saying, Look, how about living one event to the next event in your life? If you live event to event, well, then you're living much more in the now. And then when we can describe the the the formula for life, live your excitement, follow your passion, and let go of the outcome.

SPEAKER_00 47:26

So true, so true, which I think this may be the answer to the last question is Marvin, after everything we've talked about today, what is the one thing you hope everyone listening takes away from our conversation? Probably just what you just said.

SPEAKER_01 47:57

Not from a thinking standpoint. You know, I tell people, hey, I grew up in the 60s, we had a motto, and it was if it feels good, do it.

SPEAKER_00 48:12

Do that, that's the motto now.

SPEAKER_01 48:17

And so that's what I'd like people to try to work towards is if it feels good, do it, live your excitement, and let go of what the outcome is. You're not in charge, spirit's in charge. And when it's you know, and you know, if something bad happens, you say, Well, what was the opportunity that I had to learn something from that? And if something

Circle Of Excellence And Final Takeaway

SPEAKER_01 48:48

good happens, you say, Thank you, spirit. And if you thank you, and if you learn Native American, you either pull a strand of hair or spit in the ground and say, Thank you, Mother Earth.

SPEAKER_00 49:02

Thank you. So true. I will I think I'll start doing that. Okay, I'm gonna start, I'm gonna I'm gonna layer that in. What's the lesson here? Thank you so much, and I'm gonna give it back to the earth.

SPEAKER_01 49:13

Yes, Mother Earth. Because without Mother Earth, there ain't no reason for a son.

SPEAKER_00 49:21

Well, Marvin, it truly has been amazing to connect with you today. Thank you so much for coming on the Spiritual Spotlight series. I'm honestly so honored to have spoken with you today.

SPEAKER_01 49:32

Well, I'm honored to talk to you, all the wonderful things that you do for people and share with people and teach people.

SPEAKER_00 49:43

Mary's moon unite.

SPEAKER_01 49:47

All right.