From Séance to Spirit: Kelly Palmatier on Evidential Mediumship, Integrity, and Healing Through Validation

What happens when a childhood dining room séance reveals an unexpected spiritual gift?

 At just eight years old, Kelly Palmatier accurately channeled information about her mother’s future job 400 miles away—igniting a lifelong journey with spirit. Decades later, after a corporate career and a waterfall awakening in 2017, Kelly embraced her calling as an evidential psychic medium, offering verifiable, healing connections for those seeking proof of life beyond death.

In this illuminating conversation, Kelly shares:

• The difference between evidential mediumship and general psychic work
• How specific validations help clients release grief and guilt
• Her rigorous approach to spiritual integrity, energy hygiene, and grounding
• How she addresses skepticism with transparency and compassion
• Practical advice for developing your own intuitive abilities

Kelly reminds us that intuition is like a muscle—the more you use it, the stronger it becomes. Whether you’re curious about psychic development or looking for comfort after loss, this episode will expand your understanding of what’s possible between worlds.

Chapters

• 1:38 First Spirit Message at Eight Years Old
• 4:25 Academic Training in Parapsychology
• 8:18 Saying Yes to Mediumship in 2017
• 13:05 Managing Psychic Gifts in Daily Life
• 16:55 The Importance of Spiritual Integrity
• 21:08 Healing Messages from Beyond
• 25:08 Psychic vs. Mediumship Readings
• 32:00 Building a Heart-Centered Business
• 37:44 Advice for Developing Intuition

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:50

Hello everyone, welcome to the Spiritual Spotlight Series. Today I am joined by Kelly Palmatier. She is an evidential psychic medium with over 30 years of experience. Kelly, thank you so much for coming on the Spiritual Spotlight Series. I'm so happy you're here.

Speaker 2: 1:02

Thank you for having me, rachel.

Speaker 1: 1:04

I'm happy to be here, so you received your first spirit message at just eight years old. What was that experience like, and how did your family respond to that?

Speaker 2: 1:15

So it actually happened when we were having a seance around the dining table after dinner one night. What I didn't know? Don't don't all families just happen to have seances periodically after dinner one night? Yeah, um, fascinating. Of course I didn't realize it was weird, uh, unusual, until years later, because, you know, when you're a kid, you experience stuff. It's just like, oh, okay, this is what we're doing, okay, this is what life's about.

Speaker 2: 1:45

All right then, true, um, but yeah, my, my uh, stepfather, my papa, who raised me, um, he, he had a strong spiritual side and he just decided to leave us in a seance one evening.

Speaker 2: 2:02

So it was, um, my, my papa, my mother, my sister and me all sitting around and we had a candle lit and he just had us hold hands and relax and breathe deeply and close our eyes and just speak up. If you feel like you're getting any messages and then he was talking and saying spirit, if there, if there's anything that we need to know, you know we're listening and and I just chimed right in I'm like, oh, you know, I feel like I've got my great grandfather and he wants us to know that my mom is going to get a job in Atlanta, 400 miles away and that you know she's going to be hired to do that, host that TV show and we should start looking for a house. So all that came to pass and at the time it just seemed like I don't know, guesswork, natural, yeah, imagination, it was just. It didn't seem weird or anything. It was just kind of like oh well, that's what it is.

Speaker 1: 3:04

But in hindsight, now that I'm a medium, I'm like oh, hmm, okay, I think that is the most interesting story about connecting with spirit that I have, and I've done well over 250 interviews. This is fascinating to me, like if I hear Papa was like no, let's go, like come on, let's do this.

Speaker 2: 3:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah, normal is not my, my what I'm known for.

Speaker 1: 3:35

I love that. So you have studied parapsychology and work with mentors in England. How did academic and intuitive training shape your mediumship style?

Speaker 2: 3:47

So when I studied parapsychology it was and I don't claim to have a degree in that, but I really loved studying I went to University of Kent at Canterbury in England. So I was a short-term student there and I studied with Professor Chris Cherry and I took a great course that he offered on issues on the self, issues in religion, parapsychology and philosophy, and so you know, we talked a little bit about all of that. But then Chris Cherry and I developed a friendship and he was very interested in parapsychology so we would talk about a lot of additional parapsychology things behind the scenes. We tried some experiments with each other, like telepathically sending and receiving and making sketches of what we received and stuff like that and uh. And then he also hooked me up with other people that he knew who were doing different uh experiments and whatnot, so I was able to participate on a subject level in those. So that was really interesting. And then also while over there, I met Jo Nguyen and she was my first and best ever mentor. So she's very strong psychically and she and I are still good friends to this day. We do Zoom calls across the pond regularly, so I had a lot of great mentorship when I was over there.

Speaker 2: 5:11

Now, how did that affect my training? Well, when I was with Joe, she taught me so much about psychic energy, working with psychic energy, psychic protection, things like that things that really became the foundation for my skills. But it's interesting, I didn't take like any formal course on how to do psychic work. I just read books and talked to people and practiced, and so I did readings off and on for 30 something years. But it wasn't until I was much older, 30 years later, when I got a direct message from spirit telling me to become a medium. So that's really when things started taking off in that direction. I don't want to jump too far ahead because I know you've got a lot of questions.

Speaker 1: 6:00

Oh, my goodness, I love this. So was this, is this in 2017, when you finally said yes to mediumship. So it's like what? I guess what inspired you then to finally say yes, even after decades of psychic work?

Speaker 2: 6:17

So when we talk about decades of psychic work, it was basically doing readings for family and friends. So I wasn't a professional psychic for those 30 years. I was very psychic in my own life and, you know, I would do readings for family and friends, but it was, you know, when I graduated from college. The internet didn't exist. I'm aging myself, but that's, that's the truth. So becoming a professional psychic would mean like having a neon sign in my window on the side of the highway. You know it's like. That's not for me. So I ended up entering the corporate world and I worked in the corporate world for decades, but it was in 2017.

Speaker 2: 7:00

I was, I was meditating and I was on a hike with my husband in DuPont State Forest. We were visiting high falls and I was sitting at the base of the waterfall and I was meditating and praying and getting in touch with nature and spirit, talking to loved ones I've lost, not necessarily expecting to hear anything back, but just, you know, asking for guidance. And so I asked. I said you know, I want to make a difference in the world. If there's something I can do that I'm not already doing, please give me a sign and I'll try to listen to whatever you tell me, and of course, at the time I was expecting something subtle. You know, friend loans me a book or something like that.

Speaker 2: 7:43

No, what I got was a lightning bolt. Just kidding Felt like a lightning bolt. I got a direct answer just popped in my head telling me to become a medium to channel loved ones who have crossed over. So I was like, okay, how shall I do that? I mean, I knew what mediums were, I'd seen them on TV, but I never identified as a medium myself. And so I got the direct message answering me in my head. It said to read books, spend time in meditation and connect with other psychic mediums. So I started doing all that right away. By the end of the month I was channeling.

Speaker 1: 8:24

Yeah, I love that and you do bring up a very valid point of like. Before the Internet, it wasn't like you could just find a psychic medium. You would have to drive around or word of mouth or you know you, probably your vibe isn't like hey, come see me. It's a completely different time now. Wow, so different so you you describe yourself as an empath and clairvoyant, with all six clairs. How do you manage these gifts in your daily life?

Speaker 2: 8:57

So I'm going to back up for a moment because I don't claim to have all of the clairs Close. But so I am an empath. I do feel the emotions of others. I'm clairvoyant, so I psychically see images Clairaudient. I hear messages Clairalient. I get psychic smells Clairaudient. I hear messages Clairalient. I get psychic smells Clairsentient. So I physically feel the energy. And also claircognizant. So sometimes I just know things. But I don't actually claim to have all the clairs. Clairgustens is taste and I've gotten that a couple times, but that one is very rare for me.

Speaker 1: 9:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So how do you manage having a lot of the Claire's in your daily life?

Speaker 2: 9:39

Well, you know, I do practice really strong psychic hygiene. You know I know how to open myself up and I know how to close myself down and that's, I think, important one of the basics for anybody that's involved in this sort of work. I actually do a lot of mentoring. I offer psychic development mentorship. It's one of the main services on my website, so I guide people through this sort of thing a lot, and the main things that I always start off with is I want to make sure people are familiar with grounding.

Speaker 2: 10:11

You need to be well grounded if you're going to do this sort of thing Cleansing, you know you need to make sure that your energy in your space and and you know, even bodies, you know cleansing. And then psychic protection. You know you need to have all these things in place and in my case, I feel like the ability to turn it on and turning off is also one of those fundamentals that everybody needs to have. So, yeah, I, if I go into a space and it's particularly heavy if it's, if it's super strong I'll be like. You know I don't like this, but I've got my shield up, so it's no big deal if I need to be there for a while. So I know how to be able to go into a grocery store or a crowded restaurant or a dance floor, and I don't have to, you know, be miserable because of all the spirit.

Speaker 1: 11:05

Well, I respect that so much as being a psychic medium, that you definitely have these strong, energetic spiritual hygiene practices in place. And you do that also with your students, with your psychic development, because there, you know, there tend to be sometimes people who do not necessarily have that training, that they're just wide open and it's like they're just bringing in all of that gunk and it's like, oh, yeah, and you need to be aware of that.

Speaker 2: 11:31

You know, if you start developing and you're not using good psychic hygiene, it's like a beacon. You know you've got this big light flashing. You know I can hear you come hang out with me and then you're like drawing in all kinds of like. Oh no, I didn't need the mosquitoes or the you know whatever.

Speaker 1: 11:49

Don't come in my bedroom. I'm good Like, thank you.

Speaker 2: 11:52

Now I'm sleeping.

Speaker 1: 12:02

You know, yeah, so so true. So has there ever been a time that you may resisted or doubted your path as a medium, and if so, how did you move through that?

Speaker 2: 12:07

So I believe that most psychics and mediums experience doubt. I think that is just part of the territory and it's funny. I actually kind of feel like that's one of my life lessons. In this lifetime, because I'm definitely a perfectionist, I work my tail off and I try to make sure that I, like, do every single thing that I do in a way that is professional and top notch, and you know, so.

Speaker 2: 12:37

So I'm a total perfectionist, and yet I've chosen a career that I don't have control over. You know, when I'm doing mediumship work, I can't guarantee who's going to come through. I can't guarantee what information is going to come through. I can't guarantee how strong that's going to come through. I have learned that I have to be able to be like okay. I've done all the preparation. What will be will be.

Speaker 1: 12:58

Yeah, wow. So how did you kind of accept the fact that the career that you're in and kind of your soul's mission, maybe perfectionism is something you had to like be okay with not being perfect all the time? How did you kind of get over that? I wouldn't say I'm over?

Speaker 2: 13:19

it. It haunts me every day. Um, seriously, I mean every reading that I do. I want every moment of every reading to be spectacular. And a lot of times things will come through and you'll be like, oh, I'm getting this really strong and this is really unique. And the client will be like, well, and then you know, fortunately, there are lots of times later when they'll be, they'll text me and they'll be like, oh, my God, my grandmother told me, and I didn't even know it, you know. So it turns out it's like a double blind, evidential thing. That happens. But then there are other times when it's like I don't know.

Speaker 2: 14:16

So I've just gotten to the point where I accept that when you think about it, rachel, when you're doing psychic work, the energy that's coming in it comes in a way that that, I think, utilizes the same muscle as imagination. You know. So a lot of times you're doing work like this and you may think, oh, I'm just imagining that. Right, you know, but you, you just have to go with it. So I just make it into a thing.

Speaker 2: 14:30

I joke with my clients. I'm like, oh, getting something random, sorry, you know, if it doesn't make sense, maybe it'll make sense later. If not no big deal and we just laugh about it. But then I get those crazy things like I remember this one reading where I was like I was so embarrassed to bring through this information I was getting. I was like surely this isn't right. Oh, sorry, I just have to say it. Oh, albatross around the neck, you know like that myth about the albatross, the bad luck. And my client's like yep, my uncle who died of brain cancer, he was wearing one in his coffin. I'm like what? So I've just learned that, even if it's ridiculous, you know, I have to say it. Yeah, inflatable Tyrannosaurus rex. What, yep, that makes sense.

Speaker 1: 15:22

I'm like how does yeah, and also like good for you, like when the message is that persistent, you're like, listen, I'm gonna share it.

Speaker 2: 15:34

It is what it is. Yeah, it is what it is and it's and I know that I'm risking being wrong, yeah, and I I feel like I'm risking being ridiculed, but I've just learned that I have to accept and be open and just go with the flow and not get so caught up in every moment being perfect, so true.

Speaker 1: 15:56

So true. So you've built a practice around authenticity and ethical boundaries. Why is spiritual integrity so essential in your work?

Speaker 2: 16:06

Well, I think, because I'm so sensitive which you know, aren't we all in this field, right? But because I'm so sensitive, I it really gets to me when I see people bad mouthing psychics and mediums, and so I've, I've read some of these books about, like, how all psychics are con artists and here's how they do their tricks, and yeah, and I'm like, and so I understand, like what, what people are talking about when they talk about cold reading, when they talk about hot reading. And I'm never going to convince a hardcore skeptic. That's not my job. My job is to support people who need my support. But I feel like when I'm in a reading and I get something where people the skeptics would call it out as cold reading, I'll address it on the spot. So, for example, I might say something like I'm getting the letter J and then I say and I might say, now, full disclosure, j is the most common first initial, but nevertheless I'm getting that. And they're like yeah, my brother James, you know, and so I've noticed that when I'm doing my readings, a lot of times I'll kind of give that little bit of disclaimer.

Speaker 2: 17:23

I might be doing something and I'll be like I'm picking up on this event that happened in Georgia and my client will be like I'd be like no, no, I saw 404 in your area code so I know you're from Georgia. That's not the psychic part, but what I'm getting you know. So I just like to be really authentic about that. And you know like one of the things is, will you allow, like as a psychic practitioner, I always let people know that you can have a friend book the appointment for you, so that I'll never even know who my client is until you're in front of me and even then you just say you know, hi, I'm Kelly. You don't have to give me your full name. So that's one way that you know I'm not doing hot readings where I'm researching you ahead of time. And for people who are really worried about cold reading, where you know you're getting clues from someone's appearance or something like that, I'm I'm fine doing just regular phone readings. I don't need to see my client to do it. Really, I like that.

Speaker 1: 18:25

I like to point these things out. I like that you're on you give a disclaimer. You know, like, hey, like I know this of you, you know, whereas some other you know there are, unfortunately, breeders that do take advantage, and they, you know, whereas some other you know there are, unfortunately, breeders that do take advantage, and they, you know they're vamping and just trying to grab that thread Right and I think, for your practice also, you're an evidential medium. For those that are new to the term, what makes evidential mediumship different?

Speaker 2: 18:53

Yeah. So evidential mediumship just means that I'm bringing through information that validates that I really am speaking with someone that is a loved one for you. So, for example, you know, I might say, oh, I'm getting, you know the name, james, I'm getting short hair, I'm getting a dark complexion, I'm getting something in the chest. No, this doesn't feel like the heart, it's more acute, it's like and then they're like yeah, he was shot in the chest, you know. So, things like that, that's evidential, because anybody can just say, oh, I'm feeling your loved one, who is it? You lost your husband. Oh, yeah, james is here. Yeah, oh, he loves you. Oh, yep, he, he sends his love and he says he's doing fine. That's great. All of that may be true, but if you haven't brought through anything evidential first, it could all be fluff. On the other hand, if I bring through all evidential stuff first and then I talk about, oh, he's right here with you, he loves you so much, then it's meaningful, then it's healing, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 20:03

So I know that you've done thousands of readings, so this question may be a little ridiculous. So, in your experience, what are maybe some of the most healing messages you've seen come forward from spirit in a reading?

Speaker 2: 20:20

Yeah, so in our human experience, so oftentimes we experience this feeling of guilt we should have done something better. We should. You know this, this feeling of doubt and of, you know, doubting ourselves. And it's just so cathartic when spirit comes through and says let that go, there's no way you could have done something.

Speaker 2: 20:51

Um, you know, an example that I got is a a reading where I did. This was actually a group reading, a large group in Sedona, the Sedona Transcendence Retreat, and I was doing a large group and I was like I'm getting the name Monica and you know, people raise their hands like I know Monica, but she's living. I know Monica, but she's living. And it's like there were like must've been a dozen Monica's connected to the group, but they were all living. And I was like, well, first of all, that's kind of weird, cause I didn't. I don't know a single Monica in my life and so quite a few. But you know I'm not channeling a spirit named Monica. So what is this about?

Speaker 2: 21:31

And as, as I continued to work with the spirit, I felt pulled towards this one, the one person in the, towards the front actually and, by the way, it doesn't always have to be in the front, they can be anywhere. But this one person who was near me and she had said that I know Monica, but she's living I said I feel like I'm being drawn to you and you're the one where I got like one piece of information from your father earlier. Right, she's like yes, and I said I feel like I'm with you. She said Monica was his caregiver and I said that's it. He is reaching out, he wants to send his love to Monica to say thank you for everything that you did for her. Oh, and wait, she feels like she didn't do enough for him and he says that that's ridiculous. And my client's like crying and saying she moved out of the country and said she's giving up nursing because she felt she wasn't good enough.

Speaker 1: 22:36

Because she felt she wasn't good enough, yeah, Hope she was able to relay that message back to her.

Speaker 2: 22:41

Yeah, yeah, she said she would.

Speaker 1: 22:44

Oh, I love that. Yeah, oh, that's so sweet, it's so true. There's a lot of guilt. I think, as you know, as family members and caregivers, that you know we. It's hard to let that go when somebody passes.

Speaker 2: 22:59

That you know. We it's hard to let that go when somebody passes, especially, you know, when we're grieving. A lot of times grief is a, it's an experience, is, is an emotion that we don't have a lot of experience with. Like how am I supposed to process that big, horrible, weird feeling I'm getting? Oh, I'm familiar with this guilt thing and I uh, let me just blame myself and because it's like we're directing our grief in into something that's a little more familiar. And you know that's that's a weird thing about grief is that everybody grieves differently and sometimes we end up kind of latching on to something that we have no need to latch on to. I had another session happen where this was a murder victim and the spirit told the family let it go. You know law enforcement is doing their job, let them do it, don't feel like it's on you to push them. And because what they're doing is they're becoming obsessed over justice as a way of not having to deal with the grief.

Speaker 1: 23:59

Yeah, absolutely. And I did see that you also work with police and, like you know, you offer your services to. I mean, I just think that's such a profound and beautiful thing that you're willing to do and to work with. You know police cases and have you ever like had a case where you're just like, wow, I was able to really do some good here.

Speaker 2: 24:22

I've had interesting cases, that is true. One. One of the first ones I ever got was and this actually I wasn't working directly with law enforcement. This one was with the mother of a murder victim, where first I did a full length, beautiful session channeling her daughter. So much evidential stuff, so much love and laughter. It was beautiful. And then towards the end I was like, okay, now you want to know who killed her. Let me just see what I get. And I ended up giving her an exact name and she said, oh, I know exactly who that is, and he was acting suspicious.

Speaker 2: 25:03

Yeah, unfortunately, I don't think they were able to get him because you know, you can't go to law enforcement and say, oh well, my psychic said I know, right, and that's one thing I always like to point out is that I don't solve crimes right. The detectives do that right. All I do is, if they are interested in hearing some of the impressions that I'm getting, I might be able to give them some sort of direction that they hadn't thought of before. Then they could say, oh, maybe we should investigate this one a little bit. So you know, if my work can assist in that way, then I'm honored to be able to do it.

Speaker 1: 25:41

I respect you so much for doing that. I will tell you that I I thought I wanted to go down a forensic mediumship route in my life and I took a one. It was a multiple day class with um, a very well-known medium, and I lasted one day. I was like I'm good, I'm good, I respect you for having the willingness and the vulnerability to be able to bring that in.

Speaker 1: 26:05

I'm like, I'm no, thank you. Yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot, it's a lot. Um, so I do want to talk about energy boundaries. We kind of talked a little bit about this. It's crucial and intuitive work. What do you feel is maybe something that new practitioners do that aren't necessarily protecting themselves, like and I don't want to say mistake, I don't feel like that's the right thing, but just maybe not having the right tools in place. What do you see that? What are some of the tools that they don't have in place when they're working with this type of energy?

Speaker 2: 26:43

Yeah, that's a good question. I think one of the things is that sometimes new practitioners might tend to be open in general I touched on this earlier being open and being closed. Right a grocery store, and you see someone next to you and you're like thinking, oh, this thing that I'm feeling is that someone for this person? And you know, that kind of goes back to ethics too, because not all psychics and mediums believe that it's ethical for you to tune into the energy of somebody nearby without their request or permission. So that's one thing.

Speaker 2: 27:23

But when you're open all the time, I feel like that that can be really exhausting for you. But also I feel like it can kind of dilute the messages from when you're in a session. So I always tell Spirit no, I don't take any early messages, because you know if something happens and you know I'm getting ready for a session and I'm like doing my eyelashes and the mirror and then I suddenly all of a sudden I'm getting like this terrible headache. Well, I don't want to have to say, is this spirit or is this Kelly's headache? Right, if I'm in my session and I get a headache, then I'm like, oh, this is probably spirit. Yes, it could be, could be Kelly's head, but it's. It's probably spirit, so I just talk about it. But if I had a headache beforehand and then I get into the session, I get a headache again. I'm like, oh yeah, well, I was just having a headache, so it's probably just me.

Speaker 1: 28:30

Yeah, I see your point. Yeah, absolutely, and it goes to, like you said, like having your energetic protection, your spiritual hygiene, having these rituals in place that way, when you're coming to the reading, like you're, you're ready to go. Yes, I like that. So you offer both psychic and mediumship readings? How do you explain the difference to clients and how do you personally switch between these roles?

Speaker 2: 28:50

Sure, yeah. So I always tell people a psychic reading is great for getting insight into the path you're on at the moment and what may be coming up for you in the future. Yeah, for mediumship, that is good for reconnecting with loved ones who crossed over, and then I often will explain it to people. Psychic just means I pick up on information outside of the five physical senses, whereas medium means I can use those skills to connect with loved ones who crossed over. It's actually kind of a fun fact. Every medium technically is a psychic, but not every psychic is a medium.

Speaker 1: 29:26

Yeah, absolutely Now. I'm going to ask you this for people that have lost loved ones, do you recommend a certain like period of time before connecting with the medium, maybe to see if that loved one will come through?

Speaker 2: 29:40

Yeah, I generally recommend six months. It's not a firm rule but I think it's a good guideline. And that's for a few reasons. One is when a spirit is initially transitioning, they are going through some adjustment period and there have been a few cases not all the time, but a few cases where I've been connecting with newly transitioned spirits and it just felt like maybe they weren't quite ready, maybe they're still learning how to manipulate the energy from the other side.

Speaker 2: 30:16

But I feel even more important than that is I need to honor the grief process process of my client. You know grief is a complex, dynamic energy and you don't want to rush into a reading too soon because I feel like it's it may not really allow the grief to fully unfold beforehand and then the messages that come through kind of touch on the experiences and it can be more soothing and cathartic. What I find is if I could do like a really fantastic mediumship reading. But if the client is newly deceased and my sitter is very deeply entrenched in the heaviest time of the grief, it doesn't matter if I'm not delivering their loved one, you know, in person, right, living, physical body, it's not enough for them when that grief is still in that first initial harsh wave.

Speaker 1: 31:20

Absolutely. So. It kind of brings up my next point of. Many clients seek readings during vulnerable times. How do you hold compassionate space without crossing energetic or emotional boundaries?

Speaker 2: 31:32

Yeah, good question. So when people come to me, one of the first things that I like to make sure people know is you're in a safe space, right, and you can. You can share, you can let it out. You know you can have any feelings that you want, as long as you allow your feelings to flow in and flow out. It's when feelings come in and then you just hold on to them, that's when real trouble can start to develop. So, yeah, I just, when a client comes in, I first just you know. One of the first things is my basic small talk how are you doing? You know how, how are you and you know. If they start getting into oversharing, of course I'll stop them and I'll say I just don't want you to share too much until after I've told you what I pick up energetically, because that way it'll be evidential. But towards the end you can share as much as you want and ask whatever you want.

Speaker 1: 32:32

So you've grown your business into a heart centered, inclusive business. What are some lessons you've learned about being a spiritual entrepreneur?

Speaker 2: 32:42

Well, being a spiritual entrepreneur, you really have to have your systems in place, you have to have your morals in place, and I also feel like it's good to constantly think about these things and just kind of touch on it and make sure that it's the way you want it to be. You know, I've had businesses in the past because I've been an entrepreneur before, and there have been times when I have to, you know, let somebody go or something like that. And what I find is that when you're letting somebody go, if especially when they really have earned being let go, right, sometimes you might have that feeling of you know, I need to put you in your place. Yes, and now that I'm like doing everything art centered, I did have somebody who came who was part of the team and who kind of demanded a shift in the way we worked on things, and I did have to react in a way that said, I'm not going to shift in that direction, but I wish you all the best moving forward.

Speaker 2: 33:59

And I found that when I went through and drafted that email response to her, I drafted it and then I walked away and I came back, and then I tweaked it again. I walked away and I came back and I I didn't send it until the next day. A full day had gone by and I had read it with fresh eyes and I felt like every single element was loving. Yeah, you know, yes, I wasn't going to continue to work with her in that particular way, with that particular demand, and so that was the only thing that was kind of she could perceive it as a letdown, right right right, but I made sure that every single thing came from the heart. Yeah, and so you know I'm not perfect, nobody is, but we always have to, I think, just kind of keep ourselves in check. And can I do better next time? Am I, am I working? Is there a way I could be more loving?

Speaker 1: 34:53

Yeah, I really respect the fact that you, you ensure that you know the, the, your employees or whomever you're working with, that you know you're coming from a space of heart centered and not I gotcha, like I. I like that, that because you know people can bring out sides of us that we don't want to have unleashed and that you, you paused and you, really, like, went back to it. Yeah, it says this can be difficult, so you offer psychic development mentorship, which I think is awesome. What advice do you have for someone who's just beginning to explore their own intuitive abilities?

Speaker 2: 35:31

Yes, so we touched on this a little bit earlier. But basically you want to make sure that you have your good psychic hygiene in place. So you need to be strong with grounding, cleansing, protection, opening up, closing down, right. So those are the basics that you know. You just it's like when you're learning to drive a car you need to make sure that you get a new car. You see where the mirrors are, you make sure that and you see where the hazard lights are, and then you make sure your seatbelt is buckled. You know you have to do all the basic safety stuff first, before you even turn the engine on, right?

Speaker 1: 36:08

Yeah absolutely.

Speaker 2: 36:09

That's important for people who are developing these skills. And then the other thing is don't be afraid to. You know, experiment and go easy on yourself. You know you're going to get things wrong. The very best psychics and mediums typically are about 80 to 90%. So you know you're not going to be 100%. Just give it your best and keep trying. You know psychic work is like a muscle the more you use it, the stronger it gets. I'm much stronger now than I was just a few years ago.

Speaker 1: 36:43

Yeah, absolutely. It is interesting when you look back and you're like, oh wow, I'm glad I like continue to work on these skills and had a daily or you know we may not be every single day, but you have a good spiritual hygiene practice. Yeah, I love that. And before I actually last question, if anyone is interested in learning more about you, where's the best place for them to go to?

Speaker 2: 37:03

Well, the number one place is definitely my website, channelingwhitelightcom. So that's my company name, channeling White Light, because that's my tagline. You can watch video excerpts of my actual readings, see my full availability and book appointments right there online. And then I am on the major social media platforms YouTube, Facebook, instagram, tiktok. You can link to those from my website.

Speaker 1: 37:45

I love that. So, for those who are grieving or maybe feeling disconnected from spirit, what's one practical step they can take today to begin to feel supported and reconnected?

Speaker 2: 37:56

yeah. So you know using your breath is so important. You know breathing. I find that if you just simply close your eyes and breathe deeply, long, slow breaths in out, you don't have to have it be a full hour long meditation session, but even just a minute or two of this simple practice will help you to feel more centered and when you're grieving and you're wanting to feel the energy of your loved one with you, being centered and relaxed in that way is the easiest way to go about it.

Speaker 1: 38:35

Kelly, thank you so much for being on the Spiritual Spotlight Series. It's truly been amazing to connect with you today. Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 2: 38:42

It's been a pleasure and an honor to be here, Rachel.