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Navigating Trauma with Spiritual Tools: A Guide to Holistic Healing
What if addressing trauma is the key to unlocking your spiritual potential?
Join us for a transformative episode of the Spiritual Spotlight Series as we explore this intriguing possibility with three exceptional guests: Jake Paul, Sadhu Dah and Josephine Hardman, an intuitive healer and Akashic Records practitioner.
Sadhu Dah shares his insights on the gradual building of spiritual strength through trauma healing, Jake Paul recounts his empowering journey with shadow work, and Josephine Hardman discusses how spirituality helps to uncover and heal the root causes of trauma.
Together, they reveal practical techniques for navigating personal challenges and spiritual growth.
In this heartwarming conversation, we highlight the transformative power of genuine connections and the importance of being seen beyond appearances. Through touching stories of chance encounters, like meeting a transformative monk, we emphasize the significance of feeling at home and belonging.
Discover practical guidance for finding your unique spiritual path, especially when feeling overwhelmed or dealing with trauma. Our guests share the value of teachers as signposts rather than ultimate gurus and underscore the power of sharing personal stories to inspire self-reflection and a sense of community.
Finally, we explore a variety of spiritual healing techniques and the diverse paths available for trauma recovery. Listen as our guests discuss the importance of holding space for clients, simplifying spiritual guidance, and the healing potential of the Akashic Records.
We delve into different meditation practices, such as Qigong and yoga, that cater to individual needs, particularly for those with unresolved trauma. Discover how creating a safe, nurturing environment and providing clients with a toolbox of resources for ongoing healing can enhance the healing journey.
Embrace the unique complexity and beauty of the human experience with us, and reconnect with your inherent wisdom and spiritual tools.
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Great. Hello everyone. Welcome to the Spiritual Spotlight Series. Today we are going to be starting with a panel. I am very, very excited. This is a brand new series that we're bringing the Spiritual Spotlight Series. This is going to be our first panel topic and it's understanding, healing trauma through spirituality. We have brought on three amazing guests. I'm going to have them introduce themselves and then we're just going to see where the conversation flows and hopefully this brings help and healing for anyone that is listening. I'm going to start with Jake. Jake, can you introduce yourself real quickly?
Speaker 2:Hi everybody. I am Jake Paul. I am a psychic medium and energy worker. I am also a certified angel therapist. I've been working in this field for about 10 years now. I do a lot of work with helping people move energy and help themselves work past their traumas, their situations, roadblocks, exactly, and really most of what my work is is empowering everybody to connect with their own team and spirit. My motto is always you know I'm not necessarily pulling any rabbits out of a hat over here, these are your peeps. So a big part of my work is helping you connect with your own people and feel empowered doing so.
Speaker 1:Love it. Thank you, jake, and I'm going to pass the mic to Sadhu. Can you please introduce yourself?
Speaker 3:Hello, I am Sadhu Da and I live in Southeast Asia and I practice the animistic traditions of shamanism found in this region of the world. I have spent numerous years learning with monks and different forest shamans and I help to make amulets and do rituals and ceremonies and also exorcisms, and just kind of make myself a pillar in my community to help wherever I can and when I find people that need to work through some deeper internal issues. I have hypnotherapy and some other interesting tricks in the Vedic tradition and Tibetan tradition that I pull out and apply where needed.
Speaker 1:Love that. Thank you so much, and Josephine Hardman, can you please introduce yourself?
Speaker 4:Yeah, of course, thanks for having us. This is great. So I'm Josephine Hardman. I'm a certified intuitive healer and Akashic Records practitioner and master teacher. Intuitive healer and Akashic Records practitioner and master teacher. I first opened the records 20 years ago and have been working with them consistently ever since. So I also the records are my primary modality, but I also work with some other techniques and approaches, including matrix energetics, so energy healing and psychosynthesis. So I have a little bit of a psycho-spiritual approach to my work. I teach an Akashic Record certification program and right now primarily I'm focused on helping other healers and coaches and spiritual practitioners and also therapists and psychiatrists and mental health counselors master how to work with the records, first for their own personal healing and evolution and to clear out their own stuff, so then they can show up at a higher level to serve their clients. I love that. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1:I think I'm going to start with the first question, as how do you guys feel that spirituality intersects with trauma healing much? I think I'm going to start with the first question, as how do you guys feel that spirituality intersects with trauma healing, and I think I'm going to start with you, asadu, if you can start that.
Speaker 3:I think it is the most critical component when somebody enters the field of spirituality as far as seeking development field of spirituality as far as seeking development. I liken it to if you go to the gym and you like to lift weights and work out. You can't just go in and immediately throw up the max weight and do all the reps. You're going to injure yourself, you're going to get hurt and you just can't do it. So you have to start off small and slow and just kind of build that up in increments. And a lot of that is chipping away at the trauma, the prior conditioning, these things that have held us back, or these limiting beliefs and blockages in our energetic body as well. And once we start to remove that crud, once we start to clear these things out and strengthen ourselves, we naturally find where we were supposed to be resonating at this whole time and then you grow from there.
Speaker 1:Yeah and Jake, what do you feel? How do you feel that spirituality intersects with trauma healing?
Speaker 2:I think spirituality I think it's easiest to speak from my own experience has been an amazing tool for me from the beginning, especially as somebody who had a hard time finding exactly where that trauma was rooted and also spent many, many years trying to divide.
Speaker 2:You know my ownership of, you know my contribution into said trauma and being able to divide that up and say, hey, that's not necessarily my narrative, however, I have adopted it. So for me, a lot of my trauma healing that I use is shadow work. That's really my favorite juicy thing to do and it's really interesting too, because I think that through the years working through trauma, working through learning more and more about spirituality, working through trauma, working through learning more and more about spirituality, about my connection with spirit, has really empowered me and has really made me feel even more connected to just myself, to know that, hey, you know these things can come up. However, I don't have to take ownership of these and it's completely possible to turn yourself into a stronger and more adapted person. I'm extremely thankful, you know, at this point at the end of the tunnel, I'm extremely thankful for those events that have put me into the realm of shadow work, because now I get to help other people. Now I get to work with other people through it.
Speaker 1:I think we'll probably touch a little bit more on shadow work for those that maybe not understand what shadow work is. But, josephineine, how do you feel that? Um, spirituality intersects with trauma healing?
Speaker 4:yeah, so I feel spirituality is a ideal and beautiful vehicle for working with trauma.
Speaker 4:First of all, as jake was saying, to identify the root causes of some of the trauma that we might be carrying that's still unresolved, and even to become aware of things like oh, is this trauma actually mine, or am I carrying trauma from ancestors or prior generations or a previous lifetime?
Speaker 4:I think when we awaken spiritually and we realize, oh, this material reality that I'm seeing and touching and is all around me is actually not like the ultimate reality and there's a spiritual reality going on behind that that can open up so many avenues for healing.
Speaker 4:And also, if I can add to that, so, in one of the modalities I use, which is psychosynthesis, as I was saying before, one of the key ideas in psychosynthesis is that we work with what we call our inner multiplicity, because we all have so many different selves and different parts inside of ourselves, and so we call these selves you know, little selves with a small S, right. But I think through spirituality we can start to recognize oh, I also have this transpersonal self with a capital S, or a higher self, which is not traumatized, cannot be traumatized, cannot be hurt, cannot be wounded, is always whole, right, because at that divine level we are always and forever whole. So having that recognition of that can also help us return to that state of wholeness and see, oh, these little parts of me that are traumatized, that's not the whole of who I am, and then it gives us a little bit more resilience to work with them.
Speaker 1:That's perfect If anyone feels comfortable sharing maybe a personal story or experience where maybe spirituality played a critical role in your healing journey. If anyone feels comfortable, I think I'll start first. Um, just because, yeah, I know that. Oh, how long has it been now.
Speaker 1:Like maybe nine years ago, my brother committed suicide and then like I kind of I got fired from my job, my husband to foreclosure, like I had these serious, like cataclysmic events happen in my life that really brought me to my knees, like my, my brother had passed, and then I got fired from my job because I wasn't able to be present in my job, you know.
Speaker 1:Then I got my house foreclosed on and then I remember like feeling totally lost and alone and I was, you know, in all my spiritual path now probably 20 years, you know, and, like I said, this was probably like eight, nine years ago and it really this is the first time I've ever been brought to my knees in prayer, like really praying, like please help me, help me get through this. You know, and it was. It was such a cataclysmic moment in my life to really and I and I know that they say like heart hurts and traumas like rocket fuel for your ascension. I'm not sure if anyone else agrees with that, but it really kind of broke me open to one, making me realize I'm not alone on my spiritual journey. And two, everything we have these horrible traumatic events, but I'm going to be okay, like this is just a slice of my life and I'm going to make it through. Does anyone else have a story they might feel comfortable in sharing?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'd be happy to share. Thank you, if I can go. First of all, yeah, I love hearing about your story and I'm so sorry you went through all of that. That's so tough. So I have my trauma, I would say, or my trauma, right, it's like um comes from my immigration story.
Speaker 4:So I was born and raised in Argentina and then we left with I left with my parents when I was 11, we left, so we immigrated to Ecuador and then we came to the US after that.
Speaker 4:So leaving when I was 11, you know, and at the time I felt, oh, this is, you know, I'm a kid, this is an adventure great.
Speaker 4:But it was also an experience of being uprooted, right, and kind of losing everything that was familiar, losing culture, losing family of origin, school, all of that that was familiar and safe and warm.
Speaker 4:You know, all the things that I grew up with. So I feel at that point it was almost looking back now, as an adult, I could see, oh, I lost this sense of home, I lost a sense of belonging in the world, which then I've had to reconcile as an adult, because that pattern kept showing up of like never feeling like I'm at home, never feeling belonging, never feeling like, oh, is this the place for me to be and for me, and working with the Akashic Records, that has really been. I've been able to work through that and heal that because the records, because they are this unconditional field of love and support and welcoming and just a super conscious field that has given me a sense of home and belonging and this understanding that home is not about a physical location, it's about if I can feel at home in myself, in my body, no matter where I am. That that's really a true sense of home and belonging, and so spirituality has enabled me to to move through that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you so much for sharing. Does anyone else have a personal experience they might feel comfortable sharing?
Speaker 2:yeah, um, I mean, just one of the facets of my journey, I would say, is growing up in a really small town that was very heavily influenced by religion and, as somebody who was not cultured to be raised in a certain denomination actually quite like couldn't necessarily relate to everybody's background or necessarily where they were coming from, especially when you were surrounded by. You know your elders at the time were very rigid, you know very rigid and have a very specific idea of how even just everyone's life should be led. You know that just married into I have really, as far as I've been aware of, always been very connected to my anxiety and depression from a young age. I was just born silly, so a lot of that is just a lot of those were contributing factors to feeling quite isolated and a little bit unrelated from even the friends around me, the people that I grew up with right. So for me, spirituality, when I started leaning into it at the age of 14, I actually I got a fake ID and I got myself a job as a phone psychic actually, so I had a chance to actually do readings and connect with people in that sense, doing something that I really loved. I spent years in the broom closet. None of my friends knew that I was a psychic. None of my friends knew that I had any connection to any of this until I was well into college, right? So, as you can imagine, all the several contributing factors to that isolation, and also the compartmentalization of identity too. So spirituality for me has been a really beautiful way of taking ownership of my story and also finding a way to build a relationship with loving all those little pieces and, I think, also becoming very forward and very empowered by speaking that truth out loud and not withholding any of those circumstances.
Speaker 2:I think it's extremely important now in my story to be very transparent about all the different facets that have made me who I am, and also about all the different routes of help, routes of therapies, that I required over time too. I, you know, am not a perfect being. I've done therapy, I've done medication, all that fun stuff, um, and I I am just really happy to sit in the place that I am now today, where I don't feel out of power or out of touch with my story anymore. Um, if anything, I feel like I'm just kind of uh, it's almost Alice in Wonderland, right. I feel like every day you continue to go down that rabbit hole and learn more and more about yourself, which is fascinating, because just when you think that you're done right, um, so it's. It's. It's many different things, but for me it's been a really beautiful um mirror.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely Mirror, so do. Do you feel comfortable sharing experience or personal stories?
Speaker 3:okay, yeah um, so I kind of like really feel a connection with what uh josephine was talking about, with the um whole immigration thing. Um, so I was, I was adopted my father's from Mexico and my mother is from Zem, and so like I was really disconnected from so much when I was a child because I didn't know my family. And then, when I got older, I was adopted at 10. So it's a bit late, and around like 12, 13 was the first time that I really got to meet my family and yeah, for me it was so conflicting, because I had no direction in anywhere, that I was going, and I actually did end up getting involved in um like basically gang life, uh, and doing things that, um, that really just show the worst side of humanity and the worst side of our own characters and where we could go as people.
Speaker 3:And then I met a monk. And it was meeting that first monk, which was just by happenstance. I was curious and I went to go check out this temple and the town I was living in. It was nothing to do with me even looking for spirituality, and it was the way that this man saw me as more than appearances, as more than how I was judged for my tattoos and my general demeanor and the way that I carried myself at that point, and it was that being seen for the first time in my life by someone, and that was kind of what led to this spark I didn't even know existed within me, that hungered for something outside of what I thought I was, who I was, and it led me to a point where I could finally embrace freedom to explore, to learn, to discover and to grow.
Speaker 3:And I think that if it wasn't for that spirituality, I think my life would have been predetermined and an early grave and I think that I would have suffered a lot more than I have in my life. We all suffer, but I think that I'm pretty confident. I know how things would have turned out if I hadn't have found that path of spirituality. And now it's really kind of funny to me when I, when I meet students and when I talk to people, they talk about my smile and my kindness and that's what they know and that's what they see and and that is like the authentic and the genuine me, and it's just so, so hard to almost imagine myself back in that place where I was just so angry and violent and just jaded and full of hate. And you know, spirituality is what got me to be. You know, this whole other version of me I never knew existed.
Speaker 1:Wow, I appreciate all of you and sharing those beautiful stories and it is interesting how the concept of not belonging and not feeling home, like as you guys are saying this, like wow, I can resonate with that myself and I don't even know if I ever thought of that, to be honest, and I love that when we have these conversations, it like almost sparks this. Oh, maybe that's something that I need to look into. So I'm going to start by to do how can you guide someone and finding their unique spiritual path to healing, especially if they feel overwhelmed by the option and maybe bogged down by feeling like they don't belong or just having a lot of trauma within them?
Speaker 3:I mean, there's a lot of ways that I used to go about it which I thought were pretty clever, and then I stripped that away over time and I've come to really just get to know what the person's interests are, how they like to learn, even if that means I pass them off to another teacher who's better suited in that regard of helping them in their development and I just try to make friends with them. And where I've gone on the road if they happen to be, you know, going up that way, I'll just be the signpost. The best description I've ever heard from one of my teachers was you know, I'm not your teacher, I'm not your master, I'm not your guru, I'm just a signpost on the road and that happens to be where you're heading towards and I've just fallen so in love with that and I try to live by it. I'm just a signpost.
Speaker 1:And the one thing that you did say that both Jake and Josephine nodded their head. One was that you, if you have a student that you know needs a different teacher, you feel comfortable in recommending them to another teacher, and I think all of us as healers that something, as somebody who's looking for a healer know that if they can recommend someone else and they're not stuck in their ego, you know and they're going to send you to the best person they feel is appropriate. Like some, use your discernment in that. Sorry, little caveat Cause I just think that's such an important thing, Jake. What about for you? How do you guide your clients if they're feeling overwhelmed in their spiritual path and maybe with their trauma?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I am what I've noticed a lot in my practice and the clients that I come across. A lot of my clients have really needed to be heard and to be seen, like Sadie was talking about, and most of my clients I meet through doing readings for, at first from a very loving outside point of view, not married into any of the internal narratives, any external things that you maybe have been raised with or that you have adopted into through that trauma. I think it's very liberating sometimes for people to hear their story from an outside point of view especially. My big thing is I always talk to my clients and I always tell people talk to yourself as you would talk to a friend, you know, because we are not always talking to ourselves like friends. In fact, I have doctorate experience in how mean you know our internal narratives can be and how tough we can really be on ourselves. Callous, I guess, is the better phrase. So for a lot of my clients we start with, first of all, finding our center, finding our grounding point. Um, because it can feel like you're in a hurricane of thought, hurricane of motion, never really stopping. Um, so we, we can go in so many different directions, right, um, but I find that a lot of people really have this like a deep breath and they can just kind of like put all that weight down during session when they're like, okay, my story is laid out in front of me and I'm able to start beginning to pull out my ownership from this, to take a look and see, oh, this is external from me. So where do I go now, now that I've identified several different factors? Where do I start? Where do we go now? And honestly, I think that a big part of it is. It's such an intuitive process.
Speaker 2:There isn't an exact framework that I approach this with, because healing is such a circular journey, right and everybody's so different. We respond different to different therapies and some of us take longer to get to certain aha moments. That just because maybe I might have picked up something in the session does not mean that that's appropriate to bring up at this point in the healing journey. Maybe that's a nugget of wisdom for later on down the road. You know we were just talking about what's to do, was just talking about it's very important to know your limits and know if you feel that your client would better resonate with somebody else in the community. That's why I'm so happy to know people just like you all um, and have these connections, that I can give this information to somebody.
Speaker 2:So, uh, and a big part of that is because, you know, 10 years ago, when I was in the depth of all of it, there wasn't so many avenues and there wasn't an option to be like. Oh well, who do you know in your listing that could help me with X, y and Z? It was really just riding out trying to find the answers on your own right. So any chance and opportunity I can take to make my clients' lives a little bit easier, you know, guide them in a better way With some ease, I will absolutely take it, and I'm not too proud to admit, you know, when I'm not the right person for that.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. And, josephine, how do you guide someone in finding their unique spiritual path to healing?
Speaker 4:Yeah. So, first of all, I love what everyone is saying about the importance of holding space for someone when we were first meeting a client or you know potential client, and allowing that person to fully tell their story and kind of where they are and where they've been, because maybe, you know, in some cases people haven't had the opportunity to do that or don't have people in their lives where they can go and just share, you know what needs to come out. Sometimes I call that initial step the unburdening. You know, because people will just if we're holding that nonjudgmental, loving space and we're not rushing, you know, to fix them, because I think sometimes people in their lives or friends, you know, because they want to help and they immediately they'll jump in to try to fix or here's the solution, here's what you should do, do. So if we can just be sort of quiet, you know receiving what they need to give, and just really listen, um, and not judge whatsoever what they're sharing, that's already huge and activates a lot of healing. Um, and then from there I would say, yeah, I, I love this question because there is so much spiritual information out there, so many different avenues we could take, and people do get overwhelmed. So I think, from there moving to like a place of simplicity and like paring things down and then encouraging the person to activate their own inner intuitive abilities, their inner authority right, so what you can follow the breadcrumbs, so what's calling to you, keep following that, so sort of like teaching them how to follow their own inner guidance, right, which is so important.
Speaker 4:And then I would say, well, for me specifically because people generally come to me because they're interested in the Akashic records right as a specific modality and how the records can help in those initial phases is in reducing that overwhelm, because I think sometimes the overwhelm, especially if we're dealing with trauma, is coming from you know that the nervous system is dysregulated, so sometimes unresolved trauma is just keeping us in the same fight or flight or freeze or fawn patterns that get triggered over and over.
Speaker 4:So there's the something I call something we can do passive work. I call it passive work inside of the records, which is just opening the Akashic records and then being in the energy field of the records which, as I said, is a super conscious field, it's beyond the 3D human dimension of ego and all of that stuff. So just being in that field is already extremely healing and it can clear out a lot of stuff and start to bring the nervous system more into that parasympathetic state of regulation and calm and rest and digest and all of that so people can begin to shift out of the overwhelm, maybe as a first step.
Speaker 1:And I think for the next question I want to ask is that what are some maybe quick, maybe not quick, but what are some spiritual practices that you would recommend, either for your friends, your clients or whomever that's looking for some spiritual healing related to trauma, and, if it's meditating, breath, work, whatever you, you know, comes to your mind to do? I'm gonna start with you first.
Speaker 3:Oh me, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:And also as a side topic did you make that amulet that you're wearing?
Speaker 3:No, this one's from a John Saul tiger.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, I'm like been staring at it.
Speaker 2:I just love it.
Speaker 1:If you can, maybe share some practices.
Speaker 3:Yeah, rebels like the negative, like kata, like there's a lot of people that practice what I practice, but on a negative level.
Speaker 3:so one has to be um protected when they are especially living in a country where, I mean, magic is so commonly practiced out in the open everywhere around here. But anyways, the question was remind me. I mean I think your answer right. I mean I think it's important too, you know, giving them exposure to some resources.
Speaker 3:I feel like I kind of be doing someone an injustice of, like their healing journey by being like oh yeah, you could just do like this pranayama or you can do this or that, like that'll get you started, and I think it kind of when somebody hits a wall, you know, maybe, at least for me, I've had moments where someone just kind of threw something at me and it was like oh well, I is supposed to be easy.
Speaker 3:This is hard, like you know, and it can be discouraging. So I mean, I guess the best way I would approach that is by opening up the dialogue of resources to look into, maybe, starting some study, getting some exposure, and then once you have an idea of what jumps out to that person, because they're like oh well, I was reading about this breathwork stuff and do you know more about Wim Hof, and you know, then it's like okay, now we can kind of go into this discussion and then maybe we dive into the Vedic practices which Wim Hof's work is based off of. So it's just, I guess, yeah, giving them some access to resources they might not even know about, and then seeing what they're interested in, and then going from there.
Speaker 1:And I do want to say I respect your answer so much in saying that, no, they need to be heard first and see what they need not just say, do this, do this, and maybe the question that I'm asking is too simple, but I respect that so much. You're like no, I want to hear what they have to say and then I'm going to guide them to the appropriate resources. So maybe I need to modify my question.
Speaker 3:If I may, really quick.
Speaker 1:Yes please.
Speaker 3:So one of the common things that I hear a lot when I get people who come to some of my retreats here in Thailand is they say, oh, like I can't meditate. And a lot of times I think people have misconceptions of what they think things are supposed to look like and it's that like exposure to like Qigong and getting them into like yoga and making them realize that sitting meditation or like Vipassana practice isn't the only type of meditation there is. So again, it goes back to that like resources and exposure to the whole of what it is there is.
Speaker 1:And I think you bring me to a different question. Now it's almost like your spiritual path is going to be very different from every single individual and that I think sometimes we may compare ourselves. Or I can't meditate, I can't do this, I don't have a cool amulet like I don't, you know what I mean and we have this like comparing. I'm going to get one like, but do you know what I mean like.
Speaker 1:I feel like sometimes that we as individuals sometimes they have, we have we put expectations on ourselves for how we feel that the spiritual path should unfold. And do you, Josephine, maybe have any advice for that? And maybe people that have I don't want to say unrealistic expectations, because that's not correct, but maybe just they have a different idea in their mind for how this path should unfold yeah, no, yeah, that's great.
Speaker 4:Um, and I, as you're talking about that, the first thing that came to mind is you know, the ego is a lover of comparison, right, loves to compare and then also loves the shoulds.
Speaker 4:So I should be further along than I am, or I should be able to sit and meditate and have no thoughts come up, which is like wow. And I think another important point to go off of what we were saying is sometimes sitting meditation in complete silence for people that have deep, unresolved trauma, that can actually be re-triggering that trauma or bringing up this sense of re-victimization. Or it can be really difficult to sit because those unresolved feelings or frozen feelings and emotions are going to come up if we're just sitting in silence. And sometimes people need a guide to be there with them as that happens. So I think just saying a blanket statement oh, sitting meditation is ideal for everyone. You should learn how to do that.
Speaker 4:Sometimes we're doing more harm than good if we put it that way, because there's so many nuances to where people are.
Speaker 4:Um, so yeah again, I think it's about, instead of giving like a specific path, right, it's about helping people to activate their own inner knowing and then they can start following those breadcrumbs themselves.
Speaker 4:And actually, if I can add one of the practices that I like to suggest, just loosely suggest to people, let's say and then they can take it or leave it, but it's this practice of attuning to the different senses and the different ways that we receive information, let's say, from higher self or divine source, just on a daily basis.
Speaker 4:So, for example, one day we might say, okay, this day I'm going to attune to my sense of sight and then just the whole day kind of move through the world really paying attention to what you're seeing. Is there a flash of something you know? Really paying attention to what you're seeing, is there a flash of something you know out of the corner of your eye? And then the next day you could do your sense of hearing. So what are you hearing? What are the messages that are coming through, either in the external environment, or you might just hear something as you're sitting out in nature, you know, internally. So opening up kind of those channels of receptivity, and then people can follow their own inner compass wherever it's leading them, if that makes sense no 100%.
Speaker 1:And Jake, what can you add for that?
Speaker 2:For me, yeah, and I love what we were just talking about. You know the struggle with being able to sit still and meditate because let me be transparent I still can't necessarily do that as somebody who lives with ADHD, and that's always impacted the way that I function. It is not lost upon me. You know that many people struggle with that ability to just sit still and also to have just one train of thought, because, baby, that's not how this circus operates over here, but we love it. Um, so for me, it's really identifying. You know where the client is at and really what their point of view is. So is this somebody who is able to sit down for a moment? If so, then I'll teach them something called the post-it note therapy, the post-it note method, which is, instead of focusing on, oh, I'm on a nature path and I am walking up towards a sign, et cetera, it is really just more about taking note of the thoughts that are coming into your mind, all those intrusive ones, anything too. It doesn't even have to be bad, even it could be. Oh, I know, I've got a board meeting next week and that's taking up a lot of space in my mind. It's showing people that we can write that down on a little graphic piece of paper and learn to trust your inner self by saying you know what? I'm trying to pull some time to myself right here. So I although my subconscious, my little shoulder goblins trying to make me focus on x, y and z right now you can build that mutual trust with yourself to say, okay, I'm writing this down in a post-it note, we're all seeing it, I will take care of you later. I will revisit you later.
Speaker 2:That has been a really important part for me and also I am a really big believer in using either dance or physical touch, physical motion, sound, as a great way of meditation. I think that it's a really beautiful way to, number one, shake up energy that loves to just find itself into those little nooks and crannies of our body. And also not lost upon me as well for those who maybe are unable to walk or unable to be extremely mobile the importance of using even just sound as a way to feel that movement through the body, feel the movement on an energetic level. There's just so many, lots of different things, but I think what it is for me is I always focus on the essential tools first. So whether that is somebody who feels like they would connect really well with something physically in their hand.
Speaker 2:So, whether that's okay, let's find you a crystal. Okay, let's find you something that you know is attainable for right now, in this moment, or are you interested in doing something you know outside? You know how can I walk you through an experience outside. I really just like to stress let's start at the very beginning. You know no need to rush, because this is a lifelong journey. Start at the very beginning. You know no need to rush, because this is a lifelong journey, right, and these are all lessons that I had to teach myself eventually. So, again, it's not cookie cutter, but I think the most important thing that I can offer somebody is the space to hear them and, although I might not ever understand exactly what their experience is, I can offer them a raw space to just speak anything out loud and to listen to them, and I can, you know, help them find those little pieces of truths in there, you know.
Speaker 1:Absolutely so I'm going to ask this as the healing practitioners that you all are. So, with the healing modalities that you currently work with, how does that help individuals process and release trauma? And I'll start with you, josephine, just to get in maybe some more specifics.
Speaker 4:Yeah, absolutely so. As I said, I work primarily with the Akashic Records and there's so many different ways that we can apply the records to work through and resolve trauma, For example. One of the ways, one of the really fundamental ways, is that the records can help us heal attachment wounds, because, you know, we all grew up with human parents or caregivers in one way or another and those human caregivers are flawed, sometimes they don't even. I think we all probably agree that they were doing the best that they could at the time with the resources that they had and all of that. But in some cases, no right.
Speaker 4:So, generally speaking, yeah, but so they were flawed and sometimes they didn't have the capacity to hold us, you know, for who we really are, or to create that space where we could express ourselves fully and be self-actualized human beings and be our unique selves. And maybe they didn't know how to love unconditionally right, whatever their own trauma story was. Maybe that came into play. But with the Akashic Records, I like to call or refer to the records as the most benevolent divine parents that we could ever have, because, as I said, this is a different energy field than what we're experiencing at the human 3D level. So it's unconditional love, unconditional support, non-judgment, complete welcoming.
Speaker 4:We can bring all of ourselves, all of our shadows, all of our light, just everything is welcome inside of the energy field of the records. And so what I've just started to see naturally in the years of doing this work is that people will go into the records and spend time there, and just naturally, because they're connecting to this source of unconditional love and they're learning how to unconditionally love themselves in the process as well. And then all of these attachment issues and insecure attachment or trust issues with themselves, with other people, all of that starts to get insecure attachment or trust issues with themselves, with other people. All of that starts to get resolved and of course, we can also work with it in a targeted way of going in and, for example, meeting with our past selves that experienced the trauma and bringing those past selves into the present, seeing what it is they might need now and, just yeah, moving through the healing work in that way and what about for you, sadoe, and working with your clients.
Speaker 3:Well, I have a multitude of things that I'll do depending upon the situation, but one of my favorite techniques that I use it's more of a system I've created over the years that takes bits and pieces from, like my earlier practices in Wicca. It dives into a lot of like Western hypnotherapy modalities and even uses like Shinobi workings as well, and what I do is I first start with a lot of breath work, okay, so we get the person basically into that 4F trauma response intentionally, and once we do that, we start with color breathing and we'll kind of breathe out the stressed charge that's representing itself. And then we do a little bit of body mapping and we find where it is. And then we breathe in some good colors, some good memory, and we put it in there. And this is kind of like what I call like putting like a little stitch in place, like this isn't the healing, like this is just we're just going to place, hold these things, just so we know where we're going to go.
Speaker 3:And then I induce by using like pranic energy and some Samadhi meditation. I will kind of envelop them in like what I call like a little golden bubble and they kind of join into my madness, so they get to feel my energy and we walk them through a safely guided astral projection. And maybe josephine might actually know what this place is. I don't know what it is, but I call it the hall of doors and inside this place there are like millions and millions of doors. It kind of looks like if you've seen monsters inc. Like when, like when they have all those doors, it's like this. I don't know if that's the Acoustic Hall of Records or what it is but there's all these doors, there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's fascinating.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So I figured out how to get there at some point. I don't know how, but I got there and then I've learned how to take people there. So we have what we want to work on. We've created the right conditions. Now we take them there and then we we find the door that's calling to us. We take in all of the details of the door to like the frame, the material it's made of, the doorknob, like everything. Then we go through it and then I have this very specific guiding that I, that I walk people through and then we end up. It gets weird, like you meet a dolphin at the beach and then he guides you under the waters and then you come up into this cave and then it's. It's all metaphorical and also not at the same time. It's strange because you see very, very visually what it sounds amazing.
Speaker 1:Not strange it sounds amazing. I want to meet a dolphin.
Speaker 3:But it's very visual. It's very visual Like you actually go there, but you know like we're in a delta brainwave state at this point, so it makes sense. And then once we get into the cave, the cave will basically act as like this container where you kind of confront what we stitched up and then I use a lot of like. So in my tradition we call kata, but you would call mantra, so we use I use a lot of kata there and then I basically let this person do the work on themselves in that space, because I found that a lot of times it's not that people are unwilling to do the work, it's that they don't know how to do the work. And if you put them in the space, if you can set that up right and you put them there, a lot of times they'll just do the work themselves intuitively, as we've been talking about. And so if you can just create that right environment, that right atmosphere, and place them right there and, knowing that they're safe, knowing that you're watching over everything, and you just let them focus on them, that's all their only job is just to focus on themselves, and then, once the time that is taken has passed and they're good to go.
Speaker 3:You welcome back exactly where you came in, exactly the way that you came in. You go back out the door, you come from the hollow doors back into the body. You unwrap the cocoon of white light from the body, then you blast them with some good old Reiki, pranic energy, whatever sort of modality you want to use, just to give like a little cleanse over. And then you sit there and you process like, hey hi, so tell me about your journey, and then you break it down with them. So like that's like the main modality I've been using a lot.
Speaker 1:I love that, I love that it's fun.
Speaker 2:I love that.
Speaker 1:I, I Before I go to Jake what if you have a client that's not very visual?
Speaker 3:I have personally never had that happen, and I think it's because of how I get them prepped.
Speaker 1:Love that. All right, I'm booking a session with you because I'm not visual, so, jake, please tell us.
Speaker 2:I'm so sorry. Wait, what was the question I just got to? I got too into his story. I was just like we're all like can you just guide us through it now.
Speaker 1:And then we'll meet Josephine in the records and then we're going to go with Jake, with the angels, when you're working with your clients, like, what specific modalities, like how do you walk them through and how does that help them with their trauma? If you can, if you don't mind sharing.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, perfect, now I'm here, hello. So, um, I usually really love to, when it's trauma specific sessions, I love to have a one-on-one like energetic healing session, and I use a couple of different things. I, number one, have a medicinal rattle that I'll utilize during session, some singing bowls that maybe I'll use frequency wise to help them get into a certain brainwave. All this is we can talk days and days about that. Mostly what I would do is so I will hold them into. You know what you might call a Reiki session or an energetic healing session. And first of all, I'll start by let's tame the energy right. Let's calm down the energy, because usually when everybody comes in for a healing session or for a session where they know that they might be looking at some difficult things, we're always very tense. We're always at a 10 when we already come in through the door, right? So a big part of my job is to really lay on thick that healing energy, that very comforting energy, to really create I always kind of call it, like you know, like grandmother energy. You know being in a space that is just so loving and so passive. You know, this is just a space for you to be raw and vulnerable. Raw and vulnerable For me.
Speaker 2:I love to use visualization. However, I am also somebody who struggles a little bit with that too from time to time, so I kind of blend a couple different things. I learned a lot of beautiful stuff from I'm sure you're all familiar the body keeps the score, of course that really beautiful book, and also from my own therapy healing sessions that I've had with my therapist, tre trauma release exercise. Beautiful life saving modality that I've had with my therapist TRE trauma release exercise, beautiful life-saving modality that I have gotten to experience, especially as somebody who loves to just store away all the stuff that goes funky and bump in the night in my head. I love to just compartmentalize that, put that in the body somewhere. So I'm no stranger to it.
Speaker 2:So during an energetic healing session I am trying to find and it's exactly what? Um. So they were saying we're trying to identify where in the body things are living. Um, and what's really interesting is that a lot of times the client knows the client knows where these things are living, understands what that theme could be.
Speaker 2:It's just that we always we don't always have that, that, that space to to have really neutral conversation about like okay, where is that living? Um, how is that affecting me? Um, and and. How do I? How do I identify the different pain points? Different pain points, um, and and, and? Which one of those need the most love right now, which one of those need the most radical love and compassion at this moment? I would say a lot of times, and I also tell my clients, that we're not resolving anything overnight. Rome was not built overnight. We are identifying things so that we can have a conversation about what therapies are calling to you, what tools and assets are most alluring for you, what, oh my God, I lost my train of thought. I'm like is he?
Speaker 1:pulling in a channel. Like is Michael here with him? Like he's grabbing something.
Speaker 2:So a lot of times during a healing session I'm helping move through a lot of those blocks, so then they can start kind of fresh on their journey and be like, okay, now that I've taken a look at some of these things, I can start a little bit of a clear slate to say, okay, I want to start bringing in this tool. A lot of my work with my clients is really just providing them toolboxes, and a lot of my thing too is that we do a lot of the healing work in session. But also I'm a big believer in saying, okay, but now here are your tools for moving on forward, because this is a lifelong session, right? So whether it is about teaching them how to connect with their own physical body, identifying the psychosomatic symptoms of trauma or where those things are expressing themselves, or is it that there's somebody it needs a little bit more of a cognitive approach? Is this somebody who maybe overthinks too much and maybe thinks too much through their trauma that it disappears and finds somewhere else to hide? Right, I'm somebody who does that. That's who I am.
Speaker 2:Many years of my life, you know, overthinking it. Or in your brain you problem solve it and you say, oh, that's healed and then all of a sudden, 10 years later, you're like, oh, something's not quite right. So it's really interesting. I just I have a lot of experience with, uh, internalizing and losing track of where that's going exactly. So I really enjoy and I use. Alice in Wonderland really is a big archetype that I always go back to for people especially going down this rabbit hole and getting yourself lost in all these different things that happen in between. Life happens right and we keep pressing forward. A lot of us these are all separate, different things, but a lot of us just life happens and we have to keep pressing forward. A lot of us these are all separate, different things, but a lot of us just life happens and we have to keep pressing forward. And my joke is I in session like to. It's the expression of sweeping it under the rug.
Speaker 2:My expression is that I love to work with people who all of a sudden, you realize that the rug is two inches off the floor and you're like, okay, we got to have a moment here, we got to address the situation yeah so there's so many different ways to do it, but I really love to work through that personal lens of physical exploration of the trauma and also even, you know, then we get to have a conversation about shadow work, right, shadow work, journaling, um ritual ceremony, that we can connect with that deeper. All of that really fun stuff. But most importantly, going back to my tools, I utilize drumming because that's just my frame of reference. I utilize singing bowls and I also use that energetic healing because, you know, sometimes we do things in our practices as teachers and healers that are little nuggets of wisdom that we're not necessarily coming out saying this is an answer for you or this is a really powerful tool for you, but we're placing it in their periphery and, you know, when the time's right they'll notice it, they catch on to it, you know.
Speaker 2:So a lot of times I'm doing that in healing sessions too is that I'm connecting with the angels and I'm allowing them to kind of come in, because, again, it's the law of free will. You know we can't, we're not just going to get the healing just because you know we need it. We have to ask for permission. So a lot of times during session I'm helping bring down those roadblocks, bringing down those walls. You know that we have internally and that we don't even necessarily know that we have, you know, because some of us have those inadvertent, just subconscious walls that are like I'm building up this barrier, and a lot of times it's just from self preservation. You know, it's protection, it's the inner child that is just vehemently trying to protect itself and stay out of harm's reach again, you know.
Speaker 2:So I digress, but a lot of stuff happens in session. But, most importantly, I really utilize you and your people, your peeps and spirit to kind of give me an idea of, okay, what kind of soul am I looking at here and how does this person need to be loved and walk through this session right now. If you haven't noticed, a big part of my thing is love, because I think that none of us can get enough of it and I think that it's really probably one of the biggest catalysts of healing self love and also external love to again, that could be a whole nother episode, but I digress. Several different modalities, but the long story short is everybody's different and we go case by case because we're all different people.
Speaker 1:I love that. Thank you so much for sharing that. So, and I think the theme for kind of what everyone is, you know, being heard, holding space, you know, being present in someone's healing journey, being a signpost, I think that's all beautiful things. So, to wrap up this amazing first panel, um, I want to ask each of you do you have any piece of advice with everything that we've discussed, that you're offered that you can share to the listeners?
Speaker 4:just to wrap this up and I'll start with you, josephine, yeah, I would say so much of, as I was hearing Jake speak, I just kept thinking, you know how important it is to remind our clients that, and just people, that healing is not linear, right, that it is going to happen differently and that it has its own divine timing, right, which I think also speaks to how we, as practitioners, can't be attached to whatever the client is going to experience or the results that they're going to get, because it really is a collaborative process. But I think, yeah, just remembering healing is not linear. We don't have to compare ourselves to, or our journey to, someone else's journey. There are no shoulds Like we can. Really, I feel it's so important for people to give themselves complete freedom and permission, just full permission, like, to follow their path and to create their path in whatever way is most aligned with them at that divine level, that there is no one way, there's no way to get this wrong. Really, I think you know you can always course correct if you need to.
Speaker 4:And yeah, healing is a circular process. Sometimes there's going to be fireworks and we feel like, oh, I'm completely enlightened, right. And then the next day you get triggered by something and you feel like, oh, I'm completely enlightened, Right, and then the next day you get triggered by something and you feel like, oh, I haven't made any progress. So it's just about remembering you're working through all of those deeper layers of stuff that comes up. You're not really moving back, right, you're still moving forward. You're on that spiral of healing and just not to compare, Absolutely and to do.
Speaker 1:what piece of advice can you offer for our listeners?
Speaker 3:I think that healing in itself is very ugly and messy and just raw, and that's part of what makes it just so human, as far as an experience goes, and that when we agree to embark on this path of healing, you can't close that box. You can't close that box, you can't close that door, and it's one of those things where you know there will be moments that are overwhelming and it'll feel like it's too much. But if you could go back and you can look at before you ever started healing on yourself, like even the worst moments in healing sure beat the ignorance of just sitting and suffering. And I think that for anybody out there who is going through those growing pains, those healing pains, I would just invite them to think about what it was like before you ever started that healing journey. And even if you're suffering right now, as you're working on creating this better version of yourself, this healthier version of yourself, you got to at least recognize and give yourself credit for what you've already achieved.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and Jake.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I. It's a little bit of just reiteration, but for anybody scaling journey, we're all doing it differently, the same way that, you know, everyone sees color differently. I might see the color green differently than all three of you might see it. The same way, you know, I could teach somebody a tool you know that they'll apply in a way different way than my next client. Will you know whether that be journaling, reiki, shadow work, meditation, drumming, any of those things? I really just love to remind people that. You know, when we're coming into session here, sure, I've got my toolbox of things.
Speaker 2:However, we are not. You know templates. You know we're not cut and paste people. We're extremely complicated, and that's what's beautiful about us, meaning that we have so many different resources and so many different angles that we can approach, which sometimes is very comforting for people who feel like I have no idea where I need to be going or how I need to be coping with this right now.
Speaker 2:Um, I think it's very liberating to know that we all have different experiences and we all have different paces, um, and different tools serve different folks, especially at different times in your life, you know, and that's okay. So a big thing again, the healing journey for me starts with finding a way to remember your power and connected with the tools so that you can establish your connection, your belief in your own line to spirit, to the universe. Because, again, I'm not pulling any rabbits out of my hat over here. I'm trying to remind you of something that you were born with, that your ancestors gave you and that you will always have access with. Because I think that helping a client find that power at the very beginning of the journey and start to develop that relationship of trust with it is just such a radical lens that can really be very freeing and it can really create some beautiful chaos in that experience.
Speaker 1:Love that Well. I want to thank you all for coming on the first spiritual spotlight series panel. This has truly been amazing connection with all of you and thank you guys so much and I'm going to say thank you to the third eye light and to these backgrounds.
Speaker 4:And I want to say thank you guys so so much, Thank you.
Speaker 2:Yes, you're welcome, thank you.
