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The Power of Self-Love: Gina Cavalier's Guide to Overcoming Suicidal Ideation
What if the key to overcoming suicidal thoughts lies in the powerful blend of spirituality and creative expression? Join us as Gina Cavalier, an inspirational author, filmmaker, artist, speaker, and spiritual teacher, shares her profound transformation from an entertainment executive struggling with unhealed childhood trauma to a beacon of hope for mental health and spiritual healing.
Together with Dr. Amelia Kelly, Gina offers a clinical and compassionate perspective in her books "Surviving Suicidal Ideation" and "Healing Suicidal Ideation: A Handbook for the Living," providing essential tools and insights for those grappling with similar challenges.
Discover the healing power of spirituality and energy work in addressing emotional wounds and feelings of isolation. Gina's personal stories of battling suicidal ideation and the loss of loved ones to suicide underscore the critical role spirituality played in her recovery.
Learn how grounding practices and creative expression can become powerful avenues for personal and spiritual growth, facilitating emotional release and self-healing. The discussion also highlights the importance of setting healthy boundaries, overcoming toxic relationships, and leveraging technology to support mental health.
As we tackle the alarming issue of male suicide rates and explore innovative solutions for suicide prevention, including the development of a mental health support app, our conversation emphasizes early intervention and accessible support systems.
Gina and Dr. Kelly stress the need for a collective effort to address this pressing crisis, offering practical advice for those struggling with suicidal ideation or supporting someone who is.
This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking to understand the journey of healing from suicidal thoughts and the transformative power of spirituality and creative self-expression.
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Hello everyone, welcome to our spiritual spotlight. I have Gina Cavalier here today. She is an author, filmmaker, artist, speaker and spiritual teacher. She's also the founder of the Liberated Healer. She's the author of two plus books. The first one is Surviving Suicidal Ideation and the second one is Healing Suic suicidal ideation a handbook for the living. She's got a beautiful cover for us so much. I love that. I love that. Thank you so much for coming on our show today. I'm so happy you're here.
Speaker 2:Oh, thank you for having me. It's such a blessing to co-create and be talking about one of my favorite subjects ever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is a. This is a heavy topic, for sure, but it's definitely something that is vastly needed in this day and age and it's something that I love that. I respect the fact that you're willing to talk about it and to help people navigate through it. So let me ask you this how did your journey go from being a media veteran and entertainment studio executive to becoming an advocate and a spiritual teacher and helping people navigate through suicidal ideation?
Speaker 2:I love this question because you know I'm going back to being a media veteran. I just got a grant my first grant just now to the documentary about healing suicidal ideation. I just got it today. So congratulations, we're excited and we're we're going to be building a ton of content in this category, but I suffered greatly because I did not heal childhood wounds that are detailed in my book.
Speaker 2:But also, what happens is you create when you're a child and you have these crazy, you know, abuse, whatever happens. You create skills that help you to survive as a child and as an adult you take them with you. But those skills do not work as an adult and you get really lost in the muck and the mire and you don't understand why your life isn't working and why is it? You and you fall into self-pity or you fall into worthlessness and it's. It's a terrible road. And then when something comes in and kicks you in the butt, like a divorce or a loss of a job or something big, those tools are not working anymore.
Speaker 2:And so you know I needed to find new ways to a heal what happened, but also new ways to deal with conflict, which we all have, yeah. So I had to kind of leave being an executive and like go through this journey and find what worked for me and I created. I found what worked for me and now I'm teaching it to other people because this is so important. People need to know that they can heal suicide radiation, that they don't have to live with it. It's not like their eye color or their height it can be changed and gone and you can live the rest of your life without it. It is a process. It takes practice, commitment, just like anything else. But I want them to know that I have healed it in myself and that they can heal it in themselves or their friends as well, and we can start to see the numbers go down.
Speaker 1:I think that's so beautiful. Let me ask you this so let's talk about your first book surviving suicidal ideation from therapy to spirituality and the lived experience was just released. Can you maybe tell us about the inspiration behind the book and really what's the core message behind it?
Speaker 2:Well, I go into my personal story, because we really felt like they needed to hear hey, someone gets me, someone has gone through this road, right, so, my personal story and of healing it and why things you know, so people can say I don't think there's a lot of books out there where people are saying that they had it and healed it, so people need to know that. And then I was going to do this book anyways and I just kind of knew that it needed to have this 360 clinical description. So I used to have a podcast and I interviewed Dr Amelia Kelly and I asked her if she would help me do this and she agreed within like 45 minutes, help me do this. And she agreed within like 45 minutes. And we wrote a proposal and we received a bunch of offers. So we picked up the Swedenborg foundation as a publisher because they have, um, a spiritual background and we thought that they would get the message out in the way that we preferred.
Speaker 2:And a big part of the title is spirituality, because that is actually how I feel. I healed myself and you can, um, switch out the words with energy or spirituality is sort of very similar, but I did. When I learned about energy work and spirituality and connecting, all of a sudden I didn't feel alone anymore. All of a sudden I felt supported and that all of a sudden my spirit team came in and I could feel them and I just the moments I felt alone. I knew I wasn't alone and I think that's a big thing about healing as well.
Speaker 1:I 100% agree with you. I am somebody who has had a family member commit suicide. I've also struggled with suicidal ideation. I have a mother who's tried to commit suicide multiple times, so I definitely can empathize and resonate with how important this message is for so many people that are living with. I think every single person knows or has been affected by somebody that may have, you know, unalive themselves and also the despair in which you kind of go down in when you're feeling like that.
Speaker 1:And what I find fascinating and you already brought it up was the fact that you use spirituality. And that's something that I did myself was I leaned into energy healing, I leaned into a team and I really, really love the fact that you have listen guys, here's a handbook, like it's not just me saying to Gina, hey, I was fine, I got through it. But how did I get through it? And maybe back then, if I had a physical tool to really help me, and those really dark days where you feel so alone and isolated which you know you said you experienced yourself you're just like you're on your knees. Like you're on your knees and in somebody who hasn't experienced that, it's really hard to be like suck it up, suck it up, you're fine. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes. Well, you know, when you're in that space and you're in this, what I call the rabbit hole, and you're disconnected from self and you're really feeling, um, whatever the storyline is for you shame, regret or unworthiness or whatever, and you're, you're, you kind of know in the back of your mind, I need help. So you start to go over the computer. What do you type in? You know, it's like, uh, you know, and you, and just like if you were trying to find a chiropractor, even like you go down the rabbit hole and you're trying to do reviews. It's overwhelming so. And the second thing is that there's such a stigma about it. Yes, 5% of people that unalive themselves went and saw their primary care physician a month before they left this world. So we know for a fact with stats that people are not telling other people, actually the people they should.
Speaker 1:So that's a staggering statistic. I was interesting. I'm actually a nurse who runs a doctor's office, so it is interesting because we actually have a licensed mental health counselor on staff. So and I will say that in times of crisis it's like I'm so grateful that we have somebody that we can go to. But I do think some people are. They don't want to tell their doctor about hey, I'm struggling mentally, especially going through COVID. So many people are now struggling because of that alone and it's I. That's a really that's a shocking statistic that they've been to their doctor in the past month. That is a shocking statistic. I mean that's going to be sticking with me for 45% and um.
Speaker 2:so this book is something that they can order. They could start to do some of the work. All the resources are in the back, the meditations or whatever they're gravitating to Right Of course, quality stuff, my meditations or the doctor line stuff that were more that.
Speaker 2:We want more scientific facts. Yeah, we just try to. I know it was like a soup and even when we were creating and we're like this is like a soup. How are we going to make this soup make sense for people? So we feel like we really did achieve that and we're really excited about the result.
Speaker 2:Um, another big thing is I always try to bring in the word levity, because and you know I'm a channeler, so I'm, I'm actually one of my gifts spiritually is being a cipher, so that means I'm supposed to download messages and bring them into the world, and when I've, I had to look up that word. To be honest, I was. When I heard spirit say you're a cipher, I was like can I just be like a shaman or something? Say you're a cypher, I was like can I just be like a shaman or something? And like so? Um, the thing that they showed me and this is really important is that this is a serious subject, but it's not dark, correct, and we have to bring it. The whole purpose is to bring it, the parts that are dark, into the light, and when we talk about it, we talk about it with levity and, as you can see, I always talk about it with levity.
Speaker 2:It's not, and I and this shows other people that they can talk about it, that they can share, and that we let the fear and the shame fall off and that we can bring it into the light. And this word, levity, is really important. I bring in amusement all the time You'll see me smile and laughing, and that doesn't mean that I'm not sympathetic to the suffering. It means that we are. We are like getting to that place where we're like, yeah, it sucks, it's hard, conflict is hard, but we have it every day. We have to make decisions every day. Absolutely, how can we support one another and bring community as people like you out here, giving people like me a opportunity to speak about it?
Speaker 1:So let me ask you this Can you tell us more about the techniques you use in your energetic healing courses and maybe how they help individuals achieve emotional freedom and empowerment?
Speaker 2:One of the first things I teach is grounding, and we hear about it everywhere, Um earthing or grounding now, but it is the number one, and if you don't do anything else, just ground. Yes, and it's, it's the reason why it it. We've been kind of programmed out of it. So about 200 years ago, when big money came and the trains came and the coal came and all that stuff right, we started to get programmed away from our spiritual nature started you know, getting a credit score.
Speaker 2:We started having to go to colleges, we had it right, and what's happening is spirituality for all of us is being sweet. Just look at the sun and we. That's how we told time, that's how we planted our crops. We understood spirituality was a part of everything that was living, and we've been programmed away from that. So what we have to do now is now we're having to reeducate ourselves is basically what's happening. Reeducate why our soul is so special, how being here is so amazing, in that we have a life purpose.
Speaker 2:The first thing we need to do is ground and I always use this analogy and people get it. So when, uh, uh, an electrician is building a hat, when they're building a house, and electrician comes in and they're doing the wiring and all the house right, we have lights all around us. First thing they do is they put in a grounding cord. Now, they do that because energy is moving. If you didn't do that, the house would catch on fire. So what we are doing is we are grounding ourselves so we don't catch on fire, so our energy doesn't start to spiral out of control.
Speaker 2:And the way that you do that simply is by creating a cord two inches wider than your hips and it can be made out of a tree or a cylinder or anything that you want. You can bejewel it or not, or put flags on it, it doesn't matter. Send it all the way to the center of the earth and into where that core is and just imagine that and that just that grounding will actually stabilize the energy. So if you want to do a test and ground yourself and have someone trying to push you over while you're grounded, you're going to feel this like tub, like grounded, and you can unground yourself and then try to have someone push you over. You will fall over. There is a difference. There is a strength in. Grounding is my number one tool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. Grounding is such an easy thing to do and it's so powerful and so transformational, like I found everything and everyone.
Speaker 2:And even when I go, like, say, by a homeless camp an hour, I'm seeing cause I live in LA I ground everybody. I ground them. You know I, instead of I've, I've, I've trained myself to, and it's hard because we're so programmed to instead of throwing judgment at a situation, just ground them and give them peace.
Speaker 1:You know, as the grounding, because we all have this stuff stuck in us and like letting that fall away Absolutely. So you're an artist. So, as an artist, how do you integrate your creative talents into your healing practices and your advocacy work?
Speaker 2:Um, well, I do channel healing artwork and the thing is is that and I want to say this to people who are suffering, because a lot of times you have to pay attention to everything about yourself, right, I was suffering so greatly and I used to, in meetings, just doodle, right, and it was just like very heavy energy line doodles, right.
Speaker 2:And people look at me and say, well, that's art. And I was like, no, that's just energy. What I was trying to do is I had fear and anxiety and anger and all those things inside me that I didn't have the tools to get out, and I was suffering and I was trying to figure out like, and I would look at it and it would just feel like pain, right, I was trying to find ways to get it out, so everything that you're doing. Once I started to turn this into healing artwork, I realized that there was healing in there and that I was almost like releasing like the tea kettle pressure off myself by drawing. And then I realized, oh, this is actual art and people were buying it and you know I would do little images like this. I love that, oh my goodness. But this is just literally like going with the flow and judgment, with the art and then letting it go into the universe. And this book has 30 images in it and the next book has 30 images in it.
Speaker 2:Now, so I, at the same time, my dreams came to life becoming a published author and then a published illustrator. You know, all within the same timeframe where everybody in my life told me I was never going to be an author, that I was never going to be a writer. I got turned down by so many people in the entertainment industry that they would say just you know, just stick to you, know your day job, um, and you know that worthy unworthiness, I let other people's opinions affect me and um, so I just don't do that anymore. But to me that there's healing in the art and whatever your thing is, whether it's pottery or making clothes, it doesn't matter what you're gravitate towards and recognize that there's healing in all of those things.
Speaker 1:Absolutely yeah, and also the fact that you are a channel, you're channeling this art to help you know, release it from your energetic field and also to bring about healing. And you, you kind of touched on something that you you hit a lot of roadblocks and you received a lot of no's and rejection, and that you made the decision. How did you decide that you were no longer going to take the external noise and shift inside and listen to your own divine direction?
Speaker 2:To me it came down to self-love, because I didn't have, so I didn't realize I did. I loved everyone else. I love my job, I love my company, I love my partner, I love my friends, all these things but I did not love myself. So when I did the we're started doing the intense healing work, you start to love yourself. You don't even want to prick your toe right. You're like ow, that hurt. You don't want to hurt anything about yourself. You want to love yourself. You want to eat better food, so you want to. You take care of this temple.
Speaker 2:So when you start to fall in love with yourself, it feels just as good as falling in love with another human, but it's deeper and that cannot be taken away ever. And that's when the ideation goes because you love yourself, now you don't want to hurt yourself. And what happens is is those mountains that we all have to climb, those pathways to start to open, and you clearly make better decisions that are meant for you, and you go oh, I'm supposed to turn left with that person, and they are highlighted because you can feel the resonance that that person is more for you, that that project is more for you, and so whatever it is doesn't matter. Those paths just start to open up, because it all starts with self-love and I know that sounds crazy but your life purpose. I just wrote a whole article and the very last line was guess where I found my life's purpose? It was hidden in my pain.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's so true. It's so true and I think a lot of people don't realize that part of our life purpose is to have a human experience and to feel and to have emotions and to navigate through that and I think we get. So as spiritual beings, we sometimes get. So I want to kick to my team and the angels and the guides and the masters and we forget about our earthly existence and it's like you gotta, you gotta, go in and grounds and really, really experience like senses, smelling, touching, feeling, experienced like senses, smelling, touching feeling.
Speaker 2:Love that. Sorry, I'm off my brain. Well, they can only really influence us and support us, but we're the ones in the body making all of the decisions.
Speaker 1:Exactly so. Your other book, the Healing Suicidal Ideation a handbook for the living, focuses on practical tools for healing. Can you maybe share, maybe just a couple key takeaways that you hope that the readers will gain from this book?
Speaker 2:Well, sort of like a workbook and you can kind of move around as you want. There's myths and taboos Um, there's D from the doctor. There's, you know, eat, eat. You know tapping exercise uh, dbt exercises Um, you could go into some of my story and you know hear about how I did my healing and DBT exercises. Um, you could go into some of my story and you know hear about how I did my healing and things like that. Um, the grounding, how to call back your energy, how to separate other people's energy away from you, how to you know all that stuff. Um, it's really how to heal the suicidal ideation, it. It's exactly so when people were like, how did you do it, I'm like there's the book.
Speaker 1:I love that. Um so, what do you think has been um the most rewarding part of your journey as an advocate and a spiritual teacher?
Speaker 2:Just just getting to meet people and hearing their heartfelt stories and truly being able to understand where they are authentically, from the best of my ability, and getting rid of the naysayers. You know, we always have them, I already have them. I don't even have time for them, I don't even really mind them, and they're a part of all of our journeys and learning how to cut out the noise and understand where they are and try not to judge them where they are as well, even when they're coming in to get you. Because when you start to actually heal yourself or you're changing, you're transforming. There's going to be a lot of people that you picked up the way, that like that old you where you were a doormat, that like you when you would just be go their direction all the way. That doesn't. And now that you're transforming, you know they don't like that a lot of people. So they still have to do their own work and journeys, but you have to.
Speaker 2:Letting go of that peacefully and letting that go on its own way really is a practice. I like to bring it up because it scares people when they have suicidal thoughts or they're already struggling to think that they might lose more people. But then, just so they know it's and it's not a loss it's, we're not ever losing anything. We're a big part of this matrix together. But don't you want to experience something a little bit better with someone who's going to be on equal playing field with you, that has equal balance, love for love. So everybody in my life now I used to pick up all kinds of like straights I would call them that. We were all like miss wounded, misfits, just constantly wounding each other because we weren't healed. And I'm really just and I still, you know, have some of them come along and we're really trying to actively have positive conversations of how we can help each other and help the world around us, and more it's just. Everybody around me now is contributing in ways that are just way more healthier.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And I just because I needed that boundary for my health. And if something goes askew and I can't, I don't feel like I can fix it with that person. I just I let them go for my health, and it's not to judge them or the process, but I just I got it. I have to. I can't go back that way right now. So it's important to learn and understand that.
Speaker 1:And it sounds like boundaries were also something that was important for you to kind of implement into your journey, and was that difficult in the beginning? Or was that something that was important for you to kind of implement into your journey, and was that difficult in the beginning, or is that something that you just made a decision? If you could talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 2:No, it's. It's a muscle that needs to be practiced and once you start to do it, you're like trembling and you're like I have to do this because I'm trying to save myself. And then they get mad and they send you bad things and things like that and you have to do a blocking Right and then all of a sudden you become an expert at it Turn to sender.
Speaker 2:I'll just block. Yeah, you know what I mean. And it's like, and, and you realize, you know, you know when this is really important. You know when you're watching someone's post come up and you're like, oh, yes, cause I, you know they're just going to spray negativity all over the place and put there, your friend, you know, put them on hide, you don't need to see that stuff, you know. And then if you do ever get to the point where they they need to move off quietly to your block list. And then you realize you're like, wow, I don't miss that.
Speaker 2:Um, anxiousness I used to get with having to see their things wasn't vibrating with me anymore. Um, I, I had to block a whole side of my family. Wow, um, cause, it was a political, they're very political and I said one thing they didn't like, and so they went nuts and they were even doing bad reviews on me and all kinds of things. And I feel I now feel so much peace that I got to, I don't have to watch that negativity online anymore. Like, cause, cause, I felt like, oh, they're my family, I have to. No, I don't have to. Nothing.
Speaker 1:Exactly, and it's almost like when you find that self-love within yourself, then you can stand on your own two feet and it's okay to be like.
Speaker 2:Not for me, yeah, and I can do the work for them, whatever they do. They do you know, but does it affect me? It was because I would have to. Always felt like misaligned it's. It's when you feel when you really fall in love with yourself. You just want everything around you to line a little bit better. It doesn't mean that the conflict and the bad, hard decisions are, but you, you see him coming in your you. You go through obstacles differently when you're healed, so you just go through them and then all of a sudden, your day is okay.
Speaker 2:I used to. Sometimes these things used to come to me when I had suicidal ideation. They would take, they could. This, these decisions or these happens could take me down for weeks, like I could have more friendship for weeks, you know, and be like another proof that I'm failure, another proof that I don't belong here. You know we would take it and that loop would start to play. And then you go back into your childhood and whatever your story is yeah. And then all of a sudden, that record would gladly play, right. And so take that record, fold it in half, throw it in the trash.
Speaker 1:So how do you see the role of technology evolving in the field of mental health and spiritual wellness, particularly through apps and online platforms such as the Liberated Healer?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, I devised an app that I'm trying to raise money for right now, and so creative people are great at designing apps and stuff, right, but they are not creating things using how our brain likes to receive information. So there's going to be a big wave of the combination of using the intellect of our brain so we receive information a little bit easier and calmer, so we can stay calm.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The thing that I want to do is I want to have a suicidal ideation widget that is like uh, whenever you're in that space, you can pop it open. There's like little files. It's like all your videos of the people that you love you've stored in their animals parents you love, you have stored in their animals parents, siblings, children. So think about it men are the most men, complete, unalive themselves, more than females. Yes, females attempt more, so interesting. You want to see, like these men that I want to reach out to, like, put videos of your kids in there, you know, of your wife, of your parents, of your, and then I want to have a letter that you write to yourself. So you're like self. I know you're struggling today and whatever you need to do, right. So we, we don't need new, exactly new technology. We have all the technology we need. We need the money. That's like you know a billion dollars. Who's going to help, uh, suicide? We need that to be. Take the existing technology, but just done smarter. That should be there right now. You know something that people could go to right away. That's small. I also want to form Suicidal Ideation Anonymous, which is just attached to AA and all the programs that they have because they have a great foundation. But you can blog on with no video, like onto the zoom, no name, and you can hear other people going through what they need to go. We need opportunity to let the pressure off the tea kettle, should we say so they can.
Speaker 2:Usually suicidal ideation comes and goes. It doesn't, it's not like it's not stuck with you, it doesn't. It's not like depression, it's not stuck with you. Yeah, yeah, it's not like months of suicidal ideation, and that's what people also don't realize. That's a huge thing. You know, depression could last months and years, or a bipolar disorder, things like that, and they have to try different medication. Suicidal ideation for the most part from the people I've talked to it comes when a specific life event happens that proves that you're X, y and Z and those are the moments that you need to be prepared with a safety plan and things like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's so, so important. I like that you bring up the safety plan. I think having a safety plan is very valuable when somebody who is struggling and you're correct, it does kind of it's like a cycle, like it's almost like oh yeah, there's that thought again. Wait, why do I have that thought, you know? And if they have the app that they can log on to and remind themselves of their self-worth and that they are a valuable member here on this earth and we still love them and care about them, that would I. I would be curious to see how the statistics will transform just from that one app alone.
Speaker 2:I love that we're gonna see the numbers go down.
Speaker 1:If we had that I know, I know, and then I mean I don't know about you, but I do feel like and you probably already know this, because this is, this is your realm and this is your field, I would imagine have the statistics for people that have committed suicide. Have it? Has it gone up since? Yeah, it feels like so many more people are choosing to exit.
Speaker 2:It's the highest that it's ever been, but the highest it was was in 1941, in the Great Depression, when everybody was losing their money.
Speaker 2:That was the only other time, so just to give you an idea. So homicide rates are about 25 000 25 000 a year. Um, uh, suicide rates in america is 50, so it's double our homicide rates. It's one person every 11 minutes in united states. It's one person every 40 seconds in the world. 55 is from guns. Then, uh, the number one state right now in america in 2024 is montana, the highest um rate for jobs is farmers, doctors, lawyers, nurses, um you know, educators, things like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, entertain actually entertainers are pretty high on there. We've seen a lot of those. The fastest growing age range right now is 10 to 11, 10 to 14, because they're mimicking what they're seeing adults do, right, and they don't have the coping skills to know to get out of it. They think if they have a breakup or they're being bullied like that's the end of their life. It's never going to get better. So it's nine, one one Um. We need to find more um financial resources to build these programs.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:We're seeing money go in and they're they're assigning the money Um, but we're not seeing a lot of I'm not seeing a lot of really active programs, so there needs to be a bigger push towards that.
Speaker 1:I completely agree with you because I can say in my professional experience and being a nurse, the mental health crisis is a crisis and for people to get the help they need it's sad. It's so hard to find appointments, providers, insurances that will accept it's. It's a struggle. So you're 100% correct that I mean money needs to be invested and people need to be educated and people need to be of service for the ones that are struggling with this.
Speaker 2:And you might know more stats on this, but from what I've been hearing is that that, um, hardly anybody is trained on if someone's suicidal, it's more of a psychologist or trained and they only get in schools when someone's already have been admitted. So they don't. So, um, paramedics need to be trained, police need to be trained like and it's not their fault at all like- no just needs to be more programs where every single person you know you touch.
Speaker 1:A potential person in crisis needs to have the training. They're not trained.
Speaker 2:I, when I found that out, I did not believe that I thought it would be like you know, cpr. But it's not.
Speaker 1:I will say that, as a registered nurse, it is something that I I'm I'm fortunate. I did have a clinical um where I did go into a mental health hospital setting for at least six months. So I was grateful that I did get the education and the training. And in my area, where I am, we have it's called mobile crisis and so we have like 24, seven resources available for people, but that's not in every county and every state and every location and I'm still saying that we're still struggling. So it's I'm fortunate to have the training, but I'm one of many, many, many people you know what I mean that need to have the training.
Speaker 2:So thank you for your dedication and service. We applaud you. We need you.
Speaker 1:It's tough. It's tough, it's a very like you said it's it's an uncomfortable conversation, but it is something that you can have with somebody Honestly. You know what I mean and it's like, okay, let's dig in what's going on here. So before I ask you the last question if anyone is interested in purchasing your books, learning more about you, where is the best place for them to go to?
Speaker 2:So our books are everywhere. You can find books like Amazon, Walmart and your local bookstore If you can, if they've, if they ordered it or they can order it for you, if you want to do that and give them. Um, I, I love to shower the. You know, mama pops. Um, it's the liberated. Healercom is my website with all of my services and all my books, and Dr Amelia Kelly has all of her services online. She's in North Carolina, she's wonderful, and the Swedenborg Foundation, who was our publisher on that one. And then I have the second book coming out, the Planet Walking, a handbook for living, and that's more spiritual and that's coming out through O-Books. We'll be out on the holidays 2024.
Speaker 1:So it'll be out. So our last question for those who maybe are struggling with suicidal ideation or supporting somebody who is what is one piece of advice that you would offer to help them navigate their healing journey? Please?
Speaker 2:try not to go into judgment, shame or fear, because that only heightens it more, and remember those words. So you have to be calm and you have to be a sounding word. You have to let them know that they've been hurt. It's really important because we live so fast lives, we're doing so many things. Understand that you heard them and sometimes you just sit next to them bringing food or asking what they're doing on the weekend. Just show up, don't let them leave this place thinking that nobody heard them.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. That's such a valuable piece of advice that really is no-transcript.
