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The Love Has Won Cult: A Chilling Look into Spiritual Deception and Exploitation

Rachel Garrett, RN, CCH / Jake Paul / Michelle Margiotta Episode 141

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Step into the enigmatic world of cults with us as we unravel the disturbing yet riveting story of the Love Has Won group and their leader, Amy Carlson—better known as Mother God. Our latest episode shines a light on the stark reality beneath the glittery exterior of this group, guided by the HBO Max documentary that uncovers their practices and beliefs. We walk you through Amy's transformation from a mere human to a deity in the eyes of her followers, the intoxicating power she wielded, and the tragic unraveling that led to her untimely demise. Brace yourself for a tale that blurs the line between devotion and delusion, and offers a stark reminder of the perils of extreme ideologies.

Have you ever pondered the lengths to which belief can warp reality? We grapple with this as we discuss the spine-chilling discovery of Amy Carlson's mummified remains and how the Love Has Won group processed this harrowing event. Dig deeper with us as we examine the cult's otherworldly doctrines, including their transition into the Galactic Federation of Light, and how these views persist even after their leader's passing. This episode isn't just about the psychology of cults—it's a look into the heart of human vulnerability and the ethical conundrums faced by those who offer spiritual guidance. We navigate these murky waters, emphasizing the significance of personal responsibility in our communities, especially when confronted with the seductive pull of cult-like movements.

Our journey doesn't end with the abstract; it's grounded in the personal stories of resilience and recovery. Listen to the firsthand accounts from individuals who've escaped the grip of cults and the bittersweet odyssey of reclaiming their place in society. We draw parallels with the experiences of those leaving insular communities like the Amish, sprinkling in a dash of reality TV insights from "Breaking Amish." To lighten the mood, we share an unexpected tarot reading anecdote and extend an open invitation to our listeners to shape the conversation with their own curiosities, hinting at upcoming explorations of Scientology, the Twin Flames movement, and more. Join us for an episode that not only probes deep into the cultural psyche but also celebrates the triumph of the human spirit.

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Speaker 1:

Yeah, hello everyone, welcome to another beauty of gray. Hello Michelle, Hello Jake, Hello. Hey, Jake is talking to his friends to the side of us, so he's like so I was like, I was like wait what's the name of our podcast. You know what I actually had the same moment in my mind. I'm like OK, so we're on one, two, three.

Speaker 1:

It's just it's just Rachel, michelle and Jake having a conversation, and we are super excited to be back in 2024 with a focus, starting this year, on cults. This is a topic that is near and dear to all three of our hearts, because we find them fascinating and terrifying at the same time. Today, we are going to be talking about a cult that Michelle is very interested in, and Jake and I are kind of bystanders here, so we're going to chime in when we need to chime in. So Michelle, take it away and talk about. Love has won. The cult of Mother God.

Speaker 3:

So when I started this documentary, I knew nothing about this person, nothing about her. So what I'm going to do? I'm going to read a little excerpt. Yes, please that, because it's on HBO Max where you can watch it, so OK. So love is one. The cult of Mother God chronicles the life and death of Amy Carlson, also known as Mother God, a self-proclaimed spiritual savior, who built a cult through her online manifestos and live streaming sessions. As Amy's health declined, her followers believed her death would lead her to evacuation by UFO and salvation for humanity. Told to the eyes of Amy's devotees and constructed from the cult's archival footage, the three part docu series captures the perils of internet proselytizing and conspiracy driven faith.

Speaker 1:

So when did this take place? Do you happen to remember the year in which this took place?

Speaker 3:

I believe this was fairly recent.

Speaker 1:

It's fairly recent, but it was interesting when you do watch it and how the internet looks so like. Oh, yes, I know.

Speaker 2:

What was it like 2009? Something like that.

Speaker 3:

Let me look it up really quick, I believe, because it was on like YouTube or something like that.

Speaker 1:

It was like on YouTube, it was like on YouTube, and it was like to work to when streaming was happening and the website looked really like a hodgepodge, like I mean. It was very like I definitely would join that thing Seriously well, I would have folded this.

Speaker 1:

I know that Michelle is looking up. The one thing I do want to say and I've watched some of the episodes and Michelle's watched all of them and we'll definitely get to Michelle's perspective 100 percent I found that her devotees are still devoted to her, even later after she's passed, and they still they're crying and they're like mother God and like it's. It's fascinating how Obsessed they still seem with this person known as mother God.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, well, because she was big on like, on the whole idea of reincarnation as she comes back several times, wasn't it? Jesus, like oh?

Speaker 1:

yeah.

Speaker 2:

Petra.

Speaker 1:

Robin Williams, Robin Williams like they had a vision board of all these famous people of all the people that were part of her like group.

Speaker 3:

Trump was on there. I love how they like they tried to like, like talk it away where they're, like, oh yeah, trump's on there, like he's still in the physical, but he's on there and I'm like you just say who are both alive?

Speaker 1:

I think no oh, yeah, no, what was he alive when? Oh, that doesn't make sense, jake, yeah, when did he yeah?

Speaker 3:

When did he pass away?

Speaker 1:

Because OK, so I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2:

We're on frig.

Speaker 3:

Bigs Amy Charleston. She passed away in 2021.

Speaker 1:

OK, so she passed away recently. Ok, so yes, he's probably been passed for a couple years. But so Jake is right, he would have been.

Speaker 3:

He died what 2016. Guys, I am not good.

Speaker 1:

I go to the dates. You could tell me that and I'd be like, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3:

And let me just make sure, when the archives were actually put together.

Speaker 1:

If we can actually find this mother god vision board.

Speaker 2:

I mean, if you think about it here Trump, robin Williams you have never seen all three of them in the same room.

Speaker 3:

I can't with you right now. I can't with you right now.

Speaker 2:

Think about it, spooky.

Speaker 1:

Oh my God, Michelle, what was your big takeaway? That you know because we we've obviously been exposed to a lot of cults.

Speaker 2:

What was your big?

Speaker 1:

takeaway with this particular one that made you feel like you wanted to talk about it today.

Speaker 3:

Just how dangerous people taking an idea how dangerous it can transform into something Like it's just. She took something that so many of us believe in and I truly believe that she believed in it.

Speaker 1:

I don't think that. Yeah, Like.

Speaker 3:

I don't think that she thought that she was trying to pull the wool over the eyes of anybody. I think that she 100% believed that what she was saying. But I think the big takeaway cause it was the she was taking. What was that? What was it called? It was like silver or something that is not. It's not something that you can take in the US. It's technically illegal.

Speaker 2:

Was she eating colloidal silver? Yes, she was.

Speaker 3:

Thank you, thank you, she was ingesting it on a regular and saying that this is what was going to cure her, and she, slowly, her body started to shut down.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it says here that-.

Speaker 3:

That's what she died In 2020,.

Speaker 1:

it was stated that Carlson was in poor health. It was paralyzed from the West waist down. She stated herself that she had cancer. In the weeks leading up to her death, the police were called multiple times to do wellness checks and then I'm trying to find where she. She had so she had ingested large amounts of the colloid silver which was promoting as a COVID-19 cure.

Speaker 2:

Yes, right.

Speaker 1:

She also died from alcohol abuse, anorexia and the ingestion of that Yep, and she had no evidence of cancer.

Speaker 2:

Well, I just found it's interesting that she went to such great lengths to counteract COVID-19. When isn't she the same person that thought like 9-11 was a hoax?

Speaker 1:

Did she think that?

Speaker 3:

Yes, there was a lot of Girl.

Speaker 2:

Girl, yes, Girl girl, girl girl.

Speaker 1:

Girl. I understand why people think 9-11 is a hoax.

Speaker 2:

Oh, it wasn't just 9-11, it was 9-11, the Sandy Hook massacre, it was All of it, the Holocaust she literally went to-.

Speaker 1:

No she has.

Speaker 2:

Oh my God, a part of like this whole background thing is that she got really deep into the QAnon kind of like conspiracy theory world and actually like several times-. Like pizza gates and Rich like literally-.

Speaker 1:

He's like stop it.

Speaker 2:

Went on a campaign with her people to say that the Holocaust was a hoax and that it was created by Jewish people because they wanted everybody else to do the work. So she literally was implanting this anti-Semitic, anti-zionic, like all of this shit Wait what work would they need to be doing to be murdered?

Speaker 2:

So like the disgusting, awful anti-Semitic like joke, is that like that the Jewish people were lazy at the time? Or like that's what Hitler was like, running around and kind of spewing and the Aryan agenda was spewing, Only to find out that she's filtered it down to love is one and bullshit like that. But she's literally spewing hate speech, Exactly. And crimes Like it's actually crazy while also claiming to be Jesus.

Speaker 3:

Yes, and her, whatever guy she's shacking up with, is father God, that was the whole other thing where it's like how many father gods is this woman going to go through, like, like, what do you can do, I don't care, live your life, have all the fun you want in the world, but when you're trying to preach to other people and you're like oh my God, it's sacrifice important and like it's just the amount and they're like oh no, this one isn't right, this one is, but like how she would manipulate that man into like no, granted, the last one that she was with he was incredibly proxies like a narcissistic and awesome, was in pain himself and they took off and left him right, yeah, and then he found them again.

Speaker 1:

And then he's like bossing around all of her devotees while they're sitting there in the bed. I don't, I can't get over just them sitting in the bed, like talking to their followers, while they're smoking and drinking, and yet they're God figures which you would. I don't understand. Yeah, so this was what they had on their board. So Robin Williams, michael Jackson, david Bowie, chris Farley, famous singers, comedians, but it just shows that like Right there.

Speaker 3:

Of course dead center, but it just shows that like they're praying on what people are like, oh well, if these people are talking to this woman, then clearly you know then she, she has to be what she says, she is.

Speaker 2:

It's funny too, because, like her, big platform was like live streaming on YouTube or like post, being very constant figures on there. And if you look at that vision board specifically, if you were on YouTube in 2009 to 2012,. Those are all of the people that were like on the homepage of YouTube. So like, essentially really just using it to like cherry grab people you know, yeah, the master marketers when I'm here. She is 100%, she was obsessed with it.

Speaker 3:

She knew exactly what she was doing in that regard.

Speaker 2:

And she was like selling vitamins, psychic surgery, all that stuff like through, just like over the phone, like doing sessions and whatnot.

Speaker 1:

Yes, and it's so sad because we the three of us do remote work and it's sad and I see this a lot, even right now when people go online and you can tell that somebody's fake and scamming people. Even last night I'm gonna. This is so stupid when I'm gonna say this, I was watching a Hallmark movie and you guys know I'm obsessed with Hallmark and they were talking about the scam, about this business, a multi, whatever marketing is because they were selling scam crystals and me being a crystal healer, I'm like but they're not scams. But then I'm like it's on Hallmark, it was so like, but this is exactly it's people make things out to be scams and then how is our work valid?

Speaker 3:

How can we go past the?

Speaker 1:

naysayers and how do you guys kind of, even yesterday I was like you gotta be kidding me, like I'm teaching a crystal class in two weeks, like, and I'm like, oh okay, but let me talk about this Hallmark movie.

Speaker 3:

I think it's totally honestly like. I feel like doing that is a totally valid thing because you have to be you obviously, like we are clearly honest with our clientele, and I feel like that's what you have to be, like you have to be brutally honest with them when it comes to certain situations, and like it's just because Like even with my witchcraft, witchcraft classes, witchcraft classes English is apparently not working for me today. It's something that I always tell everybody that this isn't a cure all for things, this isn't something that you can't like if you're going through something, and that's why a lot of these people turn to these types of cults Because they're going through something, they're having some sort of emotional turmoil or they're trying to figure out things, or they were involved in Christianity or some sort of religious process that they no longer adhere to, so they're looking for answers elsewhere. And there are too many people, because it is very easy to make up spiritualism and to make up certain it's so easy.

Speaker 1:

How is it when they say, oh, I'm channeling this, exactly my? Guys told me this my and they send DMs on to people on Instagram Like oh yes, my guy told me about energy. He want me to rule that extra meal for $4 million?

Speaker 3:

Yes, exactly, and that's why I tell people all the time. I'm just like, please be careful with like, look it is. It can be legitimate where you have an attachment to you or something, but if somebody, if you're going to readers that are consistently telling you, oh, you have an attachment, let me clear that for you and I'm like, then they're full of shit, they're looking for money, like you have to use your discernment, right.

Speaker 1:

Right, and not even that. I think what makes this cult so scary is how did this lady become mummified and she's dead and nobody called the authorities for multiple days. Did they think that the aliens were going to take her body Like? What was their thought process.

Speaker 2:

Girl, it takes a lot of time to cover somebody in glitter and wrap them in holiday lights, so they didn't really have the time.

Speaker 1:

I mean come on, I mean, but, but honestly, like how, how wrapped up in your psychosis or your belief system I don't even say psychosis, your belief system to leave somebody that's obviously dying than dead?

Speaker 2:

Well they, they go ahead, Jake, sorry, sorry, no, I mean I think that it's really important to take a look at all the back end work that she had done with her following up until that point, that she was really doing a really, unfortunately, excellent job at painting this fifth 5D dimensional. You know, outside of the physical world, to say, oh, you know, I've reincarnated several times, so she's already established a baseline of saying, oh, this physical body isn't important, so this one we can just, you know, shrine up, string me up, you know, weakened, at Bernie style, and we'll live my best life afterwards.

Speaker 1:

I just had a Stephen Hawkins moment, but she was huge.

Speaker 2:

I'm just talking about Lumaria, huge about talking about.

Speaker 2:

You know her next coming, that should be coming back around. So I think that she really did a lot of work to depersonalize this physical existence for people. So it wasn't about having to logically think about, oh, is this silver poisoning us? Or oh, maybe we shouldn't be selling these fake vitamins and also taking them, or we shouldn't be doing X, Y and Z. It wasn't important because this, this world right here, was not important. So that's why they just Exactly and it's easy to relinquish, control and suspend disbelief- Do you think that she told her followers when she was going to be reincarnated?

Speaker 2:

She probably said I'll probably be back around a month. And then do you think?

Speaker 1:

like Father God is now channeling her, like because they're still. They're still, in effect, right.

Speaker 3:

They're still a movement. Well, they're, because they're considered the galactic Federation of Light.

Speaker 1:

Oh, so they've changed names even. Okay. Well, that was that's what they were.

Speaker 3:

They were always known on yes Right now I believe she's coughing.

Speaker 1:

I know Mother God is coming through her.

Speaker 3:

She's clearly coming through, I feel now.

Speaker 1:

Get that silver, get that silver, open it, get it.

Speaker 3:

Get it. See, I lost my, my turn.

Speaker 1:

Sorry, sorry, apologize. When is she coming back? Her movement is still very active.

Speaker 3:

Yes, so basically because at the end, because Rachel, you said that you hadn't finished the entire deck, Correct?

Speaker 1:

So it's a two fucked up guy. I had to turn it off. I was like this shit is bananas, it's nuts, it is nuts.

Speaker 3:

I had to go to the bottom only for anyone that's listening that has not watched the rest of this documentary. I still highly recommend watching it, even if you do, obviously.

Speaker 1:

I will finish it someday. We'll talk about six episodes from now. I'll be like I watched that fucking shit and it's still shit.

Speaker 3:

So it's so activating because, like you, look at these people and they're people that we work with, they're people that you don't even know. Yeah, and it's. It's very sad because, like you want to be able to help people and have them be able to, you know, think for themselves and figure out, you know where they're going in life and all that type of stuff. But it's it, like I said, it's so easy for people to fall into this yeah.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, and the way, the way a lot of them, they all kind of scattered, so the, so the father God, he, that guy I think he is for what I remember him, and another one and another one had, like they had, branched off, and then two of the girls that were very prominent within that community. They're still doing YouTube videos and still speaking on Mother God and all that, that type of stuff. So I do want to see, I want to look up when, so when, she's supposed to reincarnate.

Speaker 1:

Jake's like let me tell you I'm a channel it right now.

Speaker 2:

She's with me.

Speaker 1:

Wait, I got it on the line, guys.

Speaker 2:

I do remember them saying that they went to several different states and then obviously had to move around because, like y'all are crazy and people ask them to leave kindly.

Speaker 3:

Well, they were in Hawaii and like they got.

Speaker 2:

Yes, because like they were like protests yes, it was oh my God. It was like several days where, like the whole entire island of Hawaii was really actively being like get the hell out of here. Yes, because she brought them all and then decided to proclaim herself as the goddess Pele.

Speaker 3:

I was like girl, no, no.

Speaker 1:

Don't know about any of this but.

Speaker 2:

I will say it is interesting.

Speaker 1:

but we see people even now that aren't part of a cult, that are spiritual healers and leaders that they channel, and they say that they are. They've gone to the things that come out of their mouths. It's very far. And do you trust it? Because you think they're telling the truth? Or, like you said, you used discernment and then. But then it makes I feel like the work that we do Is it just us fucking around? Is it just our imagination, Like I know that it's not, but it's hard to. It's hard Sometimes be like, oh, I am channeling.

Speaker 2:

I mean, I think that this is like an excellent time where you know where professional and academic conversations have to happen in-house of our own communities. You know, because it's a huge ethics convention, essentially, because it's, you know, as a sitter in a reading coming to any of the three of us right, somebody who maybe does not feel connected to channeling or maybe hasn't had an experience with that. They're really taking the provider, the reader's word for what's on either side or how it works.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you know, and so, if you think about it from a client standpoint, somebody who doesn't consider themselves sensitive not that they could not have an experience they will eventually but somebody who maybe has not had a validating experience like that, is really only left to piece together the people that they go to. You know, and it's a question of you know, are those people always going to be trustworthy, and do we all share a morally sound basis for that?

Speaker 1:

You know, that's For a really good point.

Speaker 2:

It's a different question for everybody.

Speaker 1:

With the ethics and the morals and what we do. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2:

So I think that I mean as a reader or a healer, whatever, as a teacher, I always say to other people I'm just going to say patients I always say to other clients you know, I think that evidential mediumship or evidential readings are very important, you know. So at the end of the day, we have to feel like this is applicable specifically to you. It's okay to maybe look for certain validations in a session and if you know I would say you know, if you're having a session with somebody and it feels like you know what yes, I could pick some of this out and blah, blah, blah, blah then I think that we should have a little bit of a buffer of how much we let it affect our life. Right, good point, yes, but if you find yourself in a situation where you're having a really great experience with the reader and you're having a lot of evidence come through, then you know what, maybe give it a little bit more consideration, should you feel like it.

Speaker 1:

That's a good point.

Speaker 2:

But at the end of the day, I think it is that very like scary ultimately up to the reader, up to the person receiving the reader to be objective, to be very discerning, which is hard, especially in the very emotionally vulnerable spaces that you could find yourself.

Speaker 3:

That's really good point, absolutely, I mean. It's why we have to say for the most part that this is for entertainment purposes only.

Speaker 1:

Because, like Well, you have to in your state.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, because I mean, like it can be very dangerous for people and I know, and I know we all do this where you know, in a reading or teaching classes or whatever we happen to be doing, we have to make the reality known to those people Because, like, while this is, yes, our reality, like we also have to be realistic in the fact that, like this might not come to fruition or, you know, like it can't always be. Sometimes, you know, we can turn to the spiritual side of things, but sometimes you just have to be like that's life, you know, and a lot of people have a hard time with that Hence cults.

Speaker 3:

Yes.

Speaker 1:

I mean think about, I mean we probably know at least 20, 30, 40, if not more, cults. Yeah, I mean people go into vulnerable states and they're looking for answers, and when you're a dramatic leader, easy to.

Speaker 2:

I just found out the other day that there was a Scientology office in Congress.

Speaker 1:

You did say that.

Speaker 2:

I didn't know that.

Speaker 1:

I have no idea.

Speaker 2:

Craziness, that is craziness, I mean. I mean, nixon was right there in Half Moon, waterford, so it's.

Speaker 1:

I would be curious to jump more into Scientology. I feel like it's so weird there's a radical.

Speaker 2:

Now I have to admit that really my limited knowledge of Scientology is pretty much all from Leah Remini on her documentary series and her many podcasts that she's done on it. But it's it's. If you want to talk about a really well structured cult, it's.

Speaker 1:

Led by Mr Tom Cruise.

Speaker 2:

Led by Mr Tom Cruise. Elrond Hubbard, the infamous murderer, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Where's his wife Exactly? Which is so?

Speaker 2:

crazy, because that's what Leah Remini was excommunicated for. Or simply asking at a wedding oh, where's you know, Mrs Hubbard, that is what made all hell break loose. It is so crazy, right.

Speaker 1:

What's up on another one episode? Oh my God, yes.

Speaker 2:

We have to. It's so good. Anybody who's interested in cults or even Scientology, look at what's her show called Leah Remini Scientology Explained, or something like that you can just Google her.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, and a thing for the listeners if there are any cults you actually would like us to talk about, leave us a comment and say hey, check this one out.

Speaker 3:

Totally don't. Yeah, I also. I'm just remembering to that I have a book on cults and conspiracy theories and things.

Speaker 2:

I forgot that I have all like well, like what points for things we have to talk about the yoga T call. They were both like what? What Do you know? The brand Yoga tea right.

Speaker 2:

The yellow boxes with the yoga purses used to be ran by a cult in California. They were. They had like, um, they had their own restaurant. They were making a list. It was kind of like do you know, core life, like the health eating, like restaurants it was. It was kind of like that, um, but it was ran by that person. It was ran by the cult leader who made yoga, yoga tea. Um, it's now went through ownership. Um. I also think that the same thing is actually um. I think that the same thing is true for twinings, if I'm not incorrect, stop it.

Speaker 2:

I believe, yes, yes, I believe this is not a pen Twinings as well.

Speaker 3:

My afternoon is going to be full, oh my God, definitely the yoga team, because I remember I walked.

Speaker 2:

I listened to a podcast episode. I think it was on. It was either the podcast, morbid or red handed One of those two. Um, but yeah, true, podcast, I was a yoga teacher. Uh well, he was a yoga teacher and, but yeah, a brand that you still find on the shelves today ran by a cult.

Speaker 1:

Anything else that we want to talk about, mother, go ahead, michelle.

Speaker 3:

No, I was going to say um, oh, where was it? I had it and it's gone. So she claimed that um. Amy Carlson claimed that she was reincarnated 534 times.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 3:

Um.

Speaker 1:

That's a lot.

Speaker 2:

I mean, but then again.

Speaker 1:

I feel like we probably all have been reincarnated Absolutely.

Speaker 3:

You know what I mean, like we're not new to this the way and that's something that, like, we were talking about before we got on here. Um, that, how, um, there is a lot of biases with this.

Speaker 2:

Does that matter? Track since Jesus to now 534 times? I don't. You know what I don't know. Is it my thing?

Speaker 1:

The inception of time could be before. Jesus could be before. You don't know how many planets we've popped.

Speaker 3:

Maybe, maybe she reincarnated as a fruit fly 500 times Exactly. She's alive.

Speaker 2:

She could be one of us he could be trash over there.

Speaker 3:

I know I'm not feeling them other, we were alive when she passed, unless she's a lot of Williams and Donald Trump.

Speaker 1:

Because they're walking. That's true. That's true. Okay, you're right Walkings, walkings.

Speaker 3:

And this is this is the thing is that, like, I feel like, especially with a lot of these documentaries, and that's why, again, where we have to go with like discernment, is that there is a lot of biases, because a lot of people that go in to make these documentaries, coming from a world of witch crafter or spiritualism or anything like, they're very much so looking at it as ridiculous and that we're all nuts and crazy and like and look like we grapple with that too. There's definitely times where I'm like am I just like full of shit?

Speaker 1:

And then I will say that we do it with other people in our community. We're like yes, that doesn't ring true. What you're saying is not feeling legit.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, you can't really be applied by this.

Speaker 2:

So I do think that I do think that I mean, of course there's always that like little personal, like called a action. You know, between between a squirrel friends to have to just speak up or have to reach out to somebody one on one, you know it's uncomfortable, it could be uncomfortable, but at the same time I think that you know, as being in a small community and there's only so many of us you know in the periphery that I think that it is kind of our responsibility to be the ones that are making sure that we're being proactive, yeah, or at least doing our yoga.

Speaker 1:

Your yoga, your yoga tea. I'm sorry. I had to already Google it. It's on truly birds, so crazy season one, episode one, empire of Yoga. It's a vice series on Colt on Hulu. So anything else that we want to talk about before we wrap up our first of many episodes of Colt. So what upcoming Colts we're going to be talking about? Obviously the yoga tea um Scientology the twin flames the twin flames.

Speaker 1:

Um, and obviously we're going to, as Michelle and Jake and I all dive into our, you know our, our ranks of knowledge, you know Heaven's Gates, like I mean, there's so many, there's so many.

Speaker 2:

Oh, my God, so many.

Speaker 3:

You get like well, the argument could be. So, like the argument could be, you know, could be said that, like the majority of practices and groups are technically Colts.

Speaker 1:

I mean I interviewed a lady that was in.

Speaker 2:

Colts. Colts. Following is like such a it's like a joke.

Speaker 1:

There's yes, there's a lot of people that follow me musicians. Oh, it's a cult following of movies, like like old movies.

Speaker 3:

There's a lot of following of show girls. You know there's a terrible movie, but it's like there's a cult movie, Exactly that, I'm sort of sure Like there's. There's this woman that I follow on Instagram, Um, and she's she's a fantastic chair reader, she teaches, and I think that she's wonderful. She calls herself the cult mother and like, but it's like a joke, but like, but she's like, yeah, exactly Like she's. She's being like she's funny about it Right.

Speaker 3:

But like, but it's just kind of like, but how easy it is, for I mean, she's got a ton of followers. These are, I mean, even on a small scale. Like look at, like our you know, like I'm not saying our clients are, it's part of a cult. Like calm down, but like think about how easy it is that, like we have our rider dice, we do?

Speaker 1:

We have people that are totally behind us.

Speaker 3:

Yes, you're right. You're right and I think those people like I, I love them all dearly, but it would be so easy, if we were different people, to manipulate that situation. You know, and it's just, it just goes into the whole ethic to think it's crazy.

Speaker 2:

Oh, so if you're any of my Michelle or Rachel's writer days, start brainstorming about what we're going to call our cults.

Speaker 3:

Exactly.

Speaker 1:

So the real, the real mirage in all of this is that we're trying to start our own cult and we don't know.

Speaker 3:

We're just pulling the wool over your eyes just to like don't see what we're doing behind the curtain.

Speaker 2:

We're just testing the water, seeing general interest trying to get us up. It depends on how many listeners we get on this right.

Speaker 1:

I know. Oh, five downloads, move on. I know I'm like sorry, anything else we want to add because we got to wrap this our first episode of cults up, yay.

Speaker 2:

No, I would just say maybe like if anybody has any questions about cults or again any recommendations? Yes, yes, or or does anybody have a personal experience with a cult? You know what?

Speaker 1:

Oh my God. Yes, you know what though I remember?

Speaker 3:

I interviewed a lady and she.

Speaker 1:

I have to go through my interviews and she was actually in a cult until a certain age and I'm going to pull her up in my it's in my blue binder over here.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

People I've interviewed. She legitimately was in a cult and I'll see if she wants to come on and talk.

Speaker 2:

All right, listen, I love it yes.

Speaker 1:

Anybody that's been in a cult that talks about how they escaped are definitely what it did to you and what your experience is like now, because I would imagine like coming out of a cult going into life now, that's got to be so tough. Yeah, just to assimilate is just my goodness, oh my goodness. Like Jake, I know you really like watching the Amish shows. I know that's what's called. I guess I love them Coming into like this reality has got to be so shocking.

Speaker 2:

So I know if anybody wants to go giggle watch Breaking Amish I think it's the second season, but one of the girls actually goes in to get a tarot reading and you could tell that production had no clue that it was going to be like a real one and like they were so shook because, like witchcraft, it truly made me giggle.

Speaker 1:

That's awesome. Well, on that note, I bid you both adieu and have a great day, and keep your tiff.

Speaker 2:

That's fitted.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

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