Unleashing Potential: Exploring Psychedelic Retreats & Spiritual Transformation

Ever wondered how psychedelics could unlock your creative potential and inspire novel ways to problem-solving? Join us as we chat with Rob Grover and Gary Logan, founders of the Journeyman Collective, who reveal the transformative power of their luxury guided magic mushroom retreats. 

They share engaging stories about their guests' profound experiences and the personal metamorphosis that results from a unique blend of nature, community, and the careful application of these potent substances. 

Don't miss the insights they provide on the intriguing distinction between micro and macro dosing, and how the right setting can amplify the transformative effects of their retreats.

But our conversation doesn't stop at recounting transformative tales. Rob and Gary are on a mission to mould conscious leaders. Listen as they unfold how their retreats empower participants to acknowledge their impact on the world and fortify their relationships. 

They explore the role inner work plays in psychedelic journeys and how a meticulous dosage paves the way for greater harmony and connection. Furthermore, they elucidate the importance of preparation and integration, explaining their approach in assisting guests to apply their retreat experiences to everyday life. 

With their commitment to holistic transformation, Rob and Gary offer an illuminating glimpse into the life-changing potential of psychedelics. 

Join us for this enlightening conversation—you're in for a treat! 

Rob Grover and Gary Logan are the founders of The Journeymen Collective, the company creating luxury guided magic mushroom retreats in the mountains outside of Vancouver.

They’ve hosted everyone from entrepreneurs and CEOs to athletes, performers, couples, and groups invested in the highest level of personal development and self-discovery.  

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Unlocking Creativity With Psychedelic Retreats

Speaker 1 0:50

Hello everyone , welcome to our spiritual spotlight series . Today I am joined by Rob Grover and Gary Logan . They are the founders of the Journeyman Collective , a company creating luxury guided magic mushrooms retreats in the mountains outside of Vancouver . They've hosted everyone from entrepreneurs and CEOs to athletes , performers , couples and groups invest in the highest level of personal development and self-discovery . Thank you both so much for coming here . How are you both doing today ?

Speaker 2 1:17

Wonderful . Thank you so much for having us .

Speaker 1 1:20

I'm so excited . So , rob and Gary , your journey involves guiding entrepreneurs and executives through professional psychedelic retreats to unlock creativity and potential . Can you maybe share one story of transformation from one of your guests that illustrates the impact of these retreats on their personal and professional lives ?

Speaker 2 1:40

Definitely . There's so many to choose from , but the one that's popping in my mind immediately . We worked with someone recently and there was nothing really going wrong in that individual's life , but they felt like there was something that hadn't quite clicked in and there was like a deeper level of calling and a deeper level of clarity that was sort of wanting to be like expressed out into the world .

Speaker 2 2:06

And she came and worked with us and she jokingly said that that was the deepest level of cosmic spa work that she's ever had done to her in his lifetime . And now that we are about a month and a half out from her guided journey with us , she just has this deep level of clarity and this concise ability to move into creativity and let that newfound clarity express itself . She's like triggerless . She just has this newfound level of awareness about herself and , if we really want to dive into another level of it , she recognized that everything in her life was going well but there was karmic clearings that needed to take place , that were clouding her perception of what was taking place in reality on these spiritual , mental , emotional and physical levels .

Speaker 1 3:07

That sounds amazing . Let me ask you this so psychedelics have gained attention as tools for unlocking creativity and business . How do you believe psychedelics can help individuals happen to their creative potential and approach problem solving from a different perspective ?

Speaker 3 3:22

Oh gosh , where do you start ? It's a clearing out of the old that no longer serves . So it's recognizing the patterns of thought and speech that's going on in your world and looking at it as , like God , that story really no longer serves me anymore . Like , how is that serving me ? Telling you about my past or a block that's happening and as you're repeating it . So , with a psychedelic journey with psilocybin and guided that we're able to help you shift out of that to see the pattern of the old and create a new , habitual way of thinking and learning and being for your future .

Speaker 2 4:06

And I would like to add to that too , is that there is a big part of the work that we do that's focused on the embodiment part . So a lot of society is running around like bodyless chickens . It's just these heads clucking around society . And so when we actually learn how to embody this meat suit that we have been graced with in this lifetime , we're actually able to start to listen to it more deeply and attune to the clues and the cues that are showing up . And when we learn how to use the instrument of this like really potent level of technology that's coalesced into what we know as 3D matter , when we really learn how to operate that computer system , essentially when we learn how to use that technology that's so potent , that's when we can just continually embody more and more and more and more . And as we embody more , then we get to actually use the human body as a potent , powerful , divine intelligence system .

Speaker 1 5:17

Do you find that a lot of the clients that come to you are not tapped into their bodies at all ? Really , like you said , there must be the chickens and the headless people . I mean it's interesting how people just do not see keyed into their bodies .

Speaker 2 5:33

Well , yeah , I think we've all been raised in a society where it's more on the mental plane and using the thinking mind and we're going to think our way into reality and we're pulled up and out of the spirit of the soul or listening to ourselves or even awakening to our multi-dimensional self . For your listeners , what we see a lot of the time when we're speaking with people on discovery calls is people do this emotion where they wave their hand in front of their heart and they say there's something missing . There's something I haven't connected into yet . I don't know what it is , but I feel like there's something there that's yet to be discovered about myself and it wants to be discovered , it wants to be uncovered . I think that's where it's like okay , we're going to open up that hopper . It's like whoop . Then the soul is like , oh , okay , this is what it's like . It's safe to be in this body .

Speaker 1 6:32

Yeah , that's beautiful . So the Journeyman Collective offers luxury guided magic mushroom retreats in a stunning natural setting . How does the environment and setting contribute to the transformative experience of your guests have during these retreats ?

Speaker 3 6:48

We've created a very safe and comfortable environment , so you're not in a yurt or in the forest and you're in a lap of luxury . We find that you're going through a challenging time when you're on a journey and we want the environment to be as comfortable as possible for you during that journey of your inner discovery , and so this is how we want our journeys to be , how we personally wanted them and that we have experienced . So there are multitudes of other ways of doing a psilocybin retreat , but this is the way we feel that best honors the human , so they can rest in to self .

Speaker 1 7:33

It's a beautiful way to put it . I really like that . It's a beautiful way . Let me ask you this , and I'm not sure if this is an appropriate question to ask Can you explain the difference between micro dosing and macro dosing when it comes to psychedelics , and how each approach can create shifts in consciousness and clarity ?

Speaker 2 7:51

Micro dose equals micro shift . Macro dose equals macro shift . That's the short Get out of your body .

Speaker 1 8:00

That's what I envision macro dosing like . Let's go .

Speaker 2 8:04

And actually with the macro dose , with a lot of our journeys it's deeply embodied and people , like the journey that we just guided this weekend , several other individuals like , wow , that was really deeply uncomfortable and painful , and but the thing is is that they discover dense lower dimensional frequencies that wanted to be liberated and they had to go into them in order to allow soul , the universe , whatever you want to call it , to flow through them more . So it's micro dosing is wonderful . It sort of chips away like little by little , it's like with little , like a little ice pick , chipping away at the unknown reality that's around us , whereas I guess for going with ice pick , the macro dose would be akin to more like a back camera .

Speaker 1 8:59

I'm like a Titanic hitting in the iceberg .

Speaker 2 9:03

Yeah , or a bulldozer , is sort of moving through a lot very , very quickly , but also , like Gary said , in a very safe guided process , and the way that we guide to is like

Dosage and Inner Work in Psychedelics

Speaker 2 9:18

their like .

Speaker 2 9:18

Dosage is very important for us as well , and so that's like a , an attuned guidance that comes through us and our clients , and it's a very fine line whereby Some people may come in and be like I want the ego death and the hero's dose . It's like it doesn't matter , like when , when , the , when you push the scales too far , one way what can happen is that you get nothing from it because you don't remember anything or you don't have any . Like . The conscious mind in our journeys is still left online to some extent so that you can learn from it , so you're aware of the information that's being presented , you can learn from it , understand from it and then , because the conscious mind is still online , there's this aspect of you can continue to remember back into different pieces of information that were presented to you so that you can harvest those riches for the rest of your life .

Speaker 1 10:15

Yeah , it's . You bring up a very valuable point . Regardless of whatever type of inner Work you're doing , there is a moment where you get to overload and nothing is retained and nothing has shifted . And it's like you have to be very conscious of where your dial is tuned to .

Speaker 3 10:32

But what you ?

Speaker 1 10:33

want to bring in . That's a really valuable point . So let me ask you this your mission includes making more conscious leaders in the world . How do you help participants see their impact on the planet and strengthen their relationship with others , both personally and professionally ?

Speaker 2 10:51

Yeah , Well , as soon as you start asking the questions , like I'm like thinking of clients and their transformation , and one of the things that we often say is that we're always in awe of the transformation that takes place in the four days that people are with us and like who they walked in as on the first day and who they're leaving .

Speaker 2 11:13

They're two totally different people .

Speaker 2 11:15

The core essence of who they are is still there , but there's been this massive shift and this massive shedding of the old and awakening to the new , and so it just yeah , it just makes me , it makes me giddy inside and the question that you asked to it's like , when people have an awareness of the truth of reality , the truth of who they are , and when they've actually explored deeper levels of their reality within self , then they get to expand out into that and , because they've been vulnerable with themselves , they can then be vulnerable with People in their relationships their children , their spouse , their business partners , their employees , whatever or people that are Working for them in some way , shape or form .

Speaker 2 12:11

And , as a consequence of that , that's a game changer , when , when you have that sense of like , oh , they just said something , but they're not saying something , and if I am willing to be vulnerable with that person , then they can potentially be vulnerable and we can like unpack something that is hiding in the shadows that really wants to be brought up Into awareness for both individuals , and then , as a result , there's like a greater level of harmony that takes place , as opposed to like just Sweeping out of the under there at the rug or ignoring Like that . Oh , I was just given a clue to like a deeper level of this human that's before me .

Speaker 1 12:53

Absolutely anything else you want to add in .

Speaker 3 12:55

No , it's . It's opening up your awareness to be in the moment . You know , eckhart Tolle says , be here now , and it went through a journey . We ask you to leave your baggage at the door as much as you can and you don't need to collect it on the way out . It's basically it goes to the dumpster and it's taken away for you and it's to realize that you still can touch into it if you want . You can still open up the suitcase to see what's inside , but you know that that no longer serves and I'll let that go . And then I have a better understanding of who I am and what I'm representing in the world and what I have to offer .

Speaker 2 13:27

Mm-hmm . And one other thing I'll add to that too is that One of I think the biggest thing that people are really truly looking for is connection . They feel disconnected , they're looking for greater connection , and that connection can only happen if the individual is more deeply connected with himself and the depth and the band without that connection to self or multidimensional self is it's , it's never ending . And so if they can at least start that reconnection process to be connected to the mind , body and spirit or soul , or that the spiritual , mental , emotional and physical levels of awareness , then that's a great place to start into that process of connecting to self , so that you can connect with others .

Speaker 1 14:22

That's beautiful , one of the things that you mentioned about leaving the baggage like . I would imagine that people , when they leave these amazing retreats , just feel so liberated . Like the freedom that they feel and the I can be my authentic self .

Speaker 3 14:39

Yes .

Speaker 1 14:39

Like that must be so powerful to witness .

Speaker 3 14:42

It is , and it brings , like joy , joyful tears to your eyes when you see them leave and you just see that they're lightened up . They've lighten the load so the burns that we carry are released and let go , so you can be freer and breathe healthier and your circulatory system is working 100% and not clogged up Right .

Speaker 1 15:05

That is beautiful . So the inner work involved in preparing before and after a psychedelic journey is crucial .

Preparation and Integration in Transformation

Speaker 1 15:13

Can you maybe share some insights into the importance of this preparation and integration process ?

Speaker 2 15:20

Yeah , definitely the current culture that we live in . For the most part we don't have the medicine man that lives in the village that we live in . It doesn't have the medicine man that lives in the city of the town , and that deeper level of truth has been sort of like stuffed away and kept away for only certain people . And so a big part of the preparation is creating context around . What does this experience actually entail ? What am I actually going to potentially go through ? And can we install ? Not install , but teach people to have a little bit of different dialogue , of how they could start to take on conscious language as opposed to just normal everyday three-dimensional polarity-based language , and then start to open up to the idea that , hey , there might be actually something beyond 3D reality . And so that's a big part of the preparation is sort of allowing people to not brace themselves but , I guess , prepare for that unknown , because for the most part in society it's like , oh , if it's unknown , don't go there , that's too risky . So this is definitely stepping into the unknown .

Speaker 2 16:45

And then the applied integration , or the new AI is what we call it , and it's really teaching people how to garner value from the experience , from the information that's presented that you again might not have context for . There may be things presented that are completely out of your band with . And it's learning how to go back and touch into those moments again and again , and again and then asking the simple questions is what am I to learn , what am I to understand ? And then also , what is the actual implementation look like ? And it's the implementation that closes that loop of okay , I was presented information , I understand a little bit more and , as a function of that , now I'm actually doing something different in my life , and it might be a new action or might be a nonaction , and that's one of the things that we really , I guess , hammer home that it's not just about the intensive , it's . We almost feel like the most important part is after you reluctantly leave our center because most people will not stay in there .

Speaker 1 18:02

Yeah , I love that . Anything else you want to add , Gary ?

Speaker 3 18:08

No , that was great . It's the integration , as Robert said , is the most important part . We feel the journey is , you know , the opener for your new way of being . So the integration is . We're here to remind you what you saw , what you learned . What did you learn and how are you going to implement that in your life , moving forward other than falling back into our old ways of doing and being ?

Speaker 1 18:32

It's interesting because in my day-to-day life I'm a registered nurse that manages the doctor's office , so it is interesting to hear how you explain this and it just sounds like you know , in my spiritual realm I do a lot of different things and it's interesting to like how you brought in the 3D and when you become . This is uncomfortable and this has changed and I like that people are willing to kind of be to go on this journey and to really kind of be open to this amazing experience that , like you said , could be uncomfortable .

Speaker 2 19:07

I like that .

Speaker 1 19:10

It is uncomfortable .

Speaker 2 19:12

People don't like being uncomfortable .

Speaker 1 19:13

We're comfortable with being uncomfortable , though I think in our day-to-day people . We get so in this routine of being uncomfortable we don't even realize that we're in this shift of you know ? Oh , my life is ugh . You know what I ?

Speaker 2 19:26

mean , yeah , totally . It's like we're wearing these weighted blankets around us , like , oh , it's just so much easier to understand with a weighted blanket .

Speaker 1 19:34

In our meat suits Chicken head off . I like how you put that . I'm going to work tomorrow and be like guys . Let's talk about these meat suits , okay .

Speaker 2 19:46

Optimize the meat suits .

Speaker 1 19:48

Optimize them . Let's shift some energy , I think we need to go on a retreat . I love that . So the Journeyman Collective offers a personalized experience that caters the mind , body and soul of each guest . Can you maybe describe some of the practices or offerings that contribute to this holistic approach ?

Speaker 3 20:08

Definitely . First question we always ask do you meditate ? But meditation , we've realized , comes in many forms . You don't have to be sitting on a yoga mat and legs crossed and sit there for two or three hours , or go to a mountain . Meditation is running , swimming , anything that you're engaged in , engaged in fully , your presence , that is a form of meditation . So we always say , tell us about your exercise program . And they say , well , I don't meditate , this is what I do . I say , well , swimming is meditating because for swimming , for me , it's a form of meditation and it brings all my thoughts back and alignment and be there in the water . We teach people to go into stillness and learn how to release the monkey mind that is chattering in your head . It's not going to happen overnight . It's going to take time and practice to say talk to it and leave it on the shelf .

Speaker 2 21:03

Food . Yeah , all the food is curated depending on preferences and typically vegetarian , but not always , because there's an increasing number of people who are like no , I need animal protein every day . And so we respect that and we source the most local and most organic or energetically integrists or meat producers in the valley that we live in . And then it's the other part , that's juries . We get to know more people and we get to know them as like , hey , what's going on in your life , what's going on in relationships , what's going on in your businesses ? And like , how can we support you in what's at the forefront , what really wants to be worked on ?

Speaker 2 21:55

And yeah , there's so many different stories that are just popping in my head right now about all of the different people that we've been working with , and something as simple as like , oh , my goodness , I just had a brilliant , heartful connection with my 16-year-old teenager and I realized that this has just changed everything about how he is going to carry forward with connecting to his children in the future .

Speaker 2 22:25

And so just those little things of like preparing people and then also helping people integrate and continue to using the tools that they really are called to use , and like we often say that we're going to sort of present you with like a new wardrobe of energetic tools to use , but we just ask that you try on each piece and see if it fits for you , and if it doesn't , it's okay to not use it , but at least try it on and see how you might be able to work with it . And yeah , it's just really important for people to be open to say hey , yeah , I'm willing to like look at meditating and energy centers and working with my shockers or working with the quantum realm of reality .

Speaker 1 23:20

I mean , you guys really work with the entire being . Like you said in the beginning , somebody had to release karmic trauma and they're recognizing that . They're not picking up on triggers anymore . It's a very like inclusive modality that you're offering for people . It offers everything and I feel like it's almost it's this beautiful package that you offer for an individual to really have this amazing life that they really desire within but maybe not know how to get there .

Speaker 1 23:53

It's such a beautiful thing and I like it's for me it's like , and I like that you bring up there's different types of meditation , because I think sometimes you're like I'm gonna sit here and you know , and listen to music or chant or whatever Like for me . I do energetic meditations . You know , I don't necessarily I don't have the conscious to listen to them . I know the energies that's going on . So I appreciate that you bring that up . I think we get stuck in this idea of this only one way .

Speaker 2 24:17

Yeah , yeah , yeah and I think that's the other part too . Is that , like with a journey with us , there's a big part of like , because we take that time and curate the experience for the individuals . That's like honoring their uniqueness . And like we had a client that she was like well , I might come in , like do the thing that I usually don't do , and I'll come into a group journey with you , and then a few days later we jump on a call with her again and she's like heck , no , I want to do this , follow my own . I am a unique creature of habit and this is how I want this experience to be for me and I just want Robin Gary all to myself and I want that experience just for myself . And so it's yeah , it's really honoring people's unique uniqueness , and it's not about like . It's , for the most part , like how far out of the box can you create ? Because we don't need the box .

Speaker 1 25:22

No , you guys definitely do not need the box . The box is non existent with the work that you do .

Speaker 2 25:27

Correct .

Speaker 1 25:29

That is so true . So in your bios you mentioned that when plant medicines , psychedelics , are facilitated with reverence , individuals can achieve greater awareness of their true selves . How do you create a safe and respectful environment for these experiences ?

Speaker 2 25:48

Wash . That's a loaded question . How long do we have ? There's a joke , yeah , two minutes left .

Speaker 2 25:56

There's a big part of what , like I'm sort of the Sky Crew , gary's ground crew and I work with the energetics of the space . We both do . We both have Sky Crew and Ground Crew . However , I'll typically work at the macroscopic level on the energetics of the whole entire space , or Gary's typically more attuned to what is that person thinking about in this moment and how can I meet them on the inside and help them through that , that really inner realms . And again , we've fostered that relationship with them and we've met with them like a few times , even before we've invited them in , and there's just that resounding level of trust that people have with us and because it is , you're putting yourself in a vulnerable state and to know that you're going to be treated with a high level of respect and integrity and a high level of professionalism is paramount for a lot of our clients and that there's like no funny business and like whatever .

Speaker 2 27:02

That is because sometimes we get that question is like , what are you talking about ? It just does not enter our realm . It's a high level of intent , high level of purpose , high level of of of purpose driven journeys , that it's like , hey , this individual is willing to go to the depths of their inner being and , like , really dig away at some of the things that have been there for lifetimes . And for us there's no greater honor or , yeah , there's no greater honor to guide someone through that experience and that reverential piece . It's like we asked people like , can you revere this experience for the rest of your life ? And we usually ask that , like on the second or third call , and people are like , oh , like okay , I'm not sure really what that means , but all it does is it just opens this door that they can walk through again and again and again and again . So it's sort of the stage that this is something you may only have to do once in your life and you can learn from that one experience for the rest of your life .

Speaker 3 28:12

We've had one client , while we have a number of clients for this one client member saying just you've invited four strangers into your center in your home and this is the most love I've ever experienced in my whole life .

Speaker 1 28:25

It's like , oh my God , cheers I like the way that you put it , that it's like you know , rob focuses on this macro level and then Gary is within . It's very like connecting with infinite intelligent , but also the way that I'm seeing it , you're connecting with your heart center , while also I'm going off topic here also pulling in the all these different realms , the multi dimensional being that we can truly connect with , that other people may not be aware with . Like that's profound , like I'm seeing , like you know , inner realm . I'm all over the place . You know Mother Earth and the elementals and the galactics and the angelics , and it's like all coming together for this really profound experience and and you treat it with such respect , like this is not something light and easy .

Speaker 1 29:20

This is something that we're going to do that will impact you for the rest of your life .

Speaker 2 29:24

Yes , yeah , on our website it says retreat , but it's actually an intensive . There's no , no retreat , retreating or vaguely sound like it guys .

Speaker 3 29:34

I mean , we do have a pool and a hot tub and a beautiful view , but yeah , it's bonus .

Speaker 2 29:40

Yeah , you hit them on the head with that description .

Speaker 1 29:42

Yeah , yeah , that's . It's beautiful . So before I ask the final question , if anyone is interested in learning more about these retreats , aka intensives and other things that you guys offer , where is the best place for them to go to ?

Speaker 3 29:57

Yeah , we have a brilliant website , wwwthedjourneymen any , and collective one , wordcom . Also on Instagram and Facebook .

Speaker 1 30:07

That's beautiful . So , to our listeners , do you have any advice or wisdom that you would like for them to share with them that could further empower them on their spiritual journeys and personal growth ? I always meet a question .

Speaker 3 30:23

I know it's like you know we always have the same answer . Learn how to learn how to think with your heart and love with your mind .

Speaker 1 30:32

It's a good one . It's a good one . Anything you want to add ?

Speaker 2 30:38

Sure , I would say , ask yourself the question what am I to remember into so that I can serve another , another person , community or the planet ?

Speaker 1 30:56

That's beautiful . Well , Gary and Rob , I want to thank you both so much for coming to the Spiritual Spotlight Series . You guys are amazing and I definitely look forward to speaking with you again in the future .

Speaker 3 31:06

Brilliant . Thank you so much . Thank you . This is great . Thank you , thank you .